New Direction For Club---Post Ideas Here

We have a board meeting next week (can't get everyone together before that due to the holiday), so we'll have more info for everyone then.

In regards to changing the meeting day--experience has shown us that there isn't one day of the week that is good for everyone. A few years ago we used to meet on Thursday evenings but there was a movement among the members to switch to Friday. I know we lost some members who couldn't do Fridays, and gained some who could. To some degree we may be limited by the zoo's schedule. IMO, rotating days each month would get too confusing and we'd end up having members angry when they show up to an empty room.

I'll have to check out the CORA auction, but it sounds similar in concept to the "garage sale" we had in January which was well attended and seemed popular. It was a more informal meeting that gave everyone a chance to socialize and sell off unused equipment. Should we make it an annual event?
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7446638#post7446638 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Caryliss
We have a board meeting next week (can't get everyone together before that due to the holiday), so we'll have more info for everyone then.

In regards to changing the meeting day--experience has shown us that there isn't one day of the week that is good for everyone. A few years ago we used to meet on Thursday evenings but there was a movement among the members to switch to Friday. I know we lost some members who couldn't do Fridays, and gained some who could. To some degree we may be limited by the zoo's schedule. IMO, rotating days each month would get too confusing and we'd end up having members angry when they show up to an empty room.

I'll have to check out the CORA auction, but it sounds similar in concept to the "garage sale" we had in January which was well attended and seemed popular. It was a more informal meeting that gave everyone a chance to socialize and sell off unused equipment. Should we make it an annual event?

C-SEA had not moved it's meeting date around much. That's good because when the last board of the Akron marine club decided to bounce the meeting date around each month to please everyone, attendance dropped to nothing and the club folded. I know I was angry several months that I had to drive for over an hour to find out the meeting date or location had been changed again and have to drive right back home. I don't think we can find one date everyone likes but I think except for rare instances where zoo activities or the speaker's schedule requires, we should pick one day and stick with it as much as possible. C-SEA started out (1972) meeting on the third Friday, then, because of weekend activities activities at Balwin-Wallace College where we originally met, we changed to the third Thursday. It stayed that way until we changed back to the original date 20 years later. The advantage of Friday is that we can coordinate speakers more often with marine clubs in Detroit and Pittsburgh, and that there are more speakers available then. Many cannot take two days off work for a single club presentation. When the membership was polled for it's preferences, it was a tossup between Thursday and Friday, but the speaker advantage made the difference. One other possibility is to have two meeting places, but use the same day every month. Perhaps one eastside and one westside, but the zoo is central enough I don't think it would be much advantage. Maybe have roving meetings in the summer when we usually don't meet. Perhaps Akron or Lorain area, or that direction so that new people would be brought in. Presentations could be the same at each meeting, some kind of basics about marine/reef keeping and a presentation about C-SEA, all done by club members and officers. by keeping it on third Fridays, we would draw those people who might also be able to attend regular meetings, and get some of them together so that they might come up with some car pooling systems for the regular part of the year.

Auctions serve some of the same purposes as flea market/garage sales. They require more organization and produce more potential profit for the club and sellers. C-SEA's last auction was in 1994 when we rented a building at the county fairgrounds. An auction needs advertising, auctioneers, tabulators, runners, spotters, auction rules and disclaimers, planning, tables, chairs, labels, seller and buyer forms, envelopes for the sellers to fill out if they want their money mailed to them. The auction needs computers and printers, and auction software. I'd be in favor of it, but I don't see it happening. It probably takes more volunteer hours than a NEOMAC. The garage sale could be an annual event, I think. I know I have a refugium, some skimmers, and a 120 gallon rr oceanic tank with a hm stand and a tidepool filter that are good garage sale items.

A possibility for the June meeting is what about contacting Joe and Sally Bauer, founders of C-SEA, for a talk about the club's early history, and/or something about the hsitory and development of diving. After Joe retired as a surgeon, I know he was very involved in establishing a museum of diving in Florida near where they retired to. They come back up to the Cleveland area for the summer, so if a date could be arranged, I'd think June would be ideal.
 
CORA auction I think it is there next meeting members bring in there items and they are bid on the club get a small % of the sale so people get rid of stuff they don't want and the club makes a few $ sounded like a good idea to me I think I am going down to see how it works out for them its the 1st time they try this
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7447232#post7447232 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Tbohinc
CORA auction I think it is there next meeting members bring in there items and they are bid on the club get a small % of the sale so people get rid of stuff they don't want and the club makes a few $ sounded like a good idea to me I think I am going down to see how it works out for them its the 1st time they try this
Sunday June 25

http://corareef.org/index.html

There is a fish auction (guppies) in Strongsville on the 3rd, if you just want to observe the mechanics of it.

http://www.kingfishservices.net/events.asp

The president of the Lorain County Aquarium Society developed software for tabulating an aquarium club auction. I think he would be glad to explain how to use the software.

http://geocities.com/lcas1998/index.html
 
Theme from the above posts
What need to happen is communication from the board to the members.

The best way i see is a fully functional WEBSITE

"If" the website functioned as a real website, with it being updated weekly, biweekly, the members could see what is going on.

Rotational meetings could be verified (i.e) no one would show up to an empty room.

Threads with good info would not be burried, by people selling frags/tanks/equiptment/sand, like me :)


I dont think the club should rely on RC's board, and not all C-sea members are members of RC anyways.

CORA's website is awesome IMHO, we should try and follow their lead
 
As far as the "Coral of The Month" idea goes, a few months ago I had expressed some displeasure at the way we felt the club was treating vendors. C-Sea BUYS most of it's livestock for the raffle each month at a small profit above what that vendor pays for the items. All the while my wife and I were GIVING.... Donating our items to the club so that the CLUB could make a maximum profit and it was a tax deduction for us. All we asked for was free advertisment of our business in return.

After talking with John Janda we had come up with the ir\dea that we would like to take control of the " Coral of the Month " idea. There would be a list put together for the entire season of C-sea as to what coral would be for each month. We would try to get in as many different species and coloration variations. At the meeting Danielle or myself would give a short presentation on the care of that item along with flyers. These items would then be placed into the monthly raffle and people could then choose as to whether they wanted to be invloved with that coral or not. The club could continue to buy other corals too to make up the difference in amount of corals at the auction. We figured probably having between 4-6 specimins and maybe for donation to the raffle as " The Coral of the Month" for everyone to be involed in. In this way the club get's something it's memebrs are wanting and we get something too.
 
I'm not on the board, but I like open discussion

I'm not on the board, but I like open discussion

Mike,
Have you considered that it's possible what other vendors pay for advertising = more $ for the club than donated raffle items+free advertising produce? I have no idea if this is the case. In my experience members don't get much insight on the financial side of things.

A good deal of the last meeting was spent on discussing how the club needs to establish a tier system for different levels of sponsorship, and what the sponsors should get in return. This is going to be hard for the board to establish considering the amount of shops we have sponsoring, and the different levels at which each donates.

This is really none of my business, but you brought it up, and I'm curious. Is the tax write off from a donation retail price or wholesale? :)
 
The deduction is based on the value of the item. What I was trying to get at was the person who the club currently buys they're raffle items from is an EXCLUSIVE deal and they buy from no other. Meanwhile I am GIVING my items to the club and they are making a pure profit on them, not trying to recover what they paid and hope they make a profit. I was willing to let that go in exchange for us trying to fill a niche to the club that alot of memebers were wanting. We would like to also sponsor the club for print advertising. If the club did not have to make up the cost they paid for an item they certainly would make alot more money.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7449791#post7449791 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Csxno1
If the club did not have to make up the cost they paid for an item they certainly would make a lot more money.

I'm not sure that it is that black, and white. Buying allows the club to choose what items, and how many are in the raffle. Which may lead to more tickets bought for the items. I do also belive the other vendor does donate on some level. This on top of the money the other vendor pays for advertising my lead to a better bottom line for the club. Like I said I really have no idea, but I like seeing things like this discussed openly.

The board has admitted at the last meeting this is a problem that needs to be addressed. It is going to take some clear lines at to what is needed to reach a certain tier of sponsorship.
 
we are drilled to support are local fish stores. yet when the club is involved, it seems we support the local fish store. lets give ALL stores the equal opportunity to get involved in the club raffles etc. how can we expect the smaller struggling stores to make it, when we don't allow them the same opportunities. don't know where the tax write off was going, but if its better to GIVE the corals and write it off, then maybe the present store would like to go that route.... doubt it. as for being able to pick when buying, i was told we get what was given(last raffle chairman, seemed to have somewhat changed this). the previous year seemed to be a table of sps, lps and invert devouring fish. what would the difficulties in giving each store a month to donate? or split them between the stores, for the month. tell them in ADVANCE what is wanted and the budget to be spent. if they can't deliver, pass them by for the month. before the STOP BASHING statements start to roll, i shop at all these stores and don't have preference to any. lets give them all a chance to get involved, to help them and the club.
 
I'm not defending one shop over the other, or the clubs decision to use one shop over the other. Without all the facts in front of us this all boils down to assumptions.

The point I've tried to make several times in this thread is I feel the club needs to be more open about things like this. We seldom here any mention of anything dealing with the financial side of club dealings.

BTW- I belive the raffle chairperson picks what items are in the raffle.
 
Scott I know for a fact that yes the last half of the last season Chcuk was pretty much "picking " and telling the vendor to send the club the bill. The fact of the matter is it WOULD be better if ALL vendors would donate. If the club is paying $50.00 or $60.00 for one outstanding coral, that's alot of tickets that need to be sold before the club even begins making a profit. The thing with the tax write off is that it is an incentive for the vendor to donate and allow the club to make more money. Like I had said I spoke with John Janda directly and know these things to be a FACT not assumptions. That's when I had hoped that if they continued to buy from the one vendor it allowed US to be involved in a way that works out for both parties.
 
Why not bring this up at a meeting? I would like to hear what the board, and other members have to say.

The last elections meeting would have been the perfect opportunity.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7451375#post7451375 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Csxno1
Like I had said I spoke with John Janda directly and know these things to be a FACT not assumptions.

I believe he was speaking on the fact that the members are making the assumptions and not getting the facts because these things are brought up at board meetings and not openly discussed. It didn't seem like an attack or that you didn't have facts. I understand that these discussions get sticky when there are certain names mentioned or trying not to mention names. It would be much easier in person to see what the members are saying and their expressions instead of the internet getting in the way of us showing emotions (sometimes emotions are inserted where they weren't meant to be)

It is great to have the facts in front of us and be able to help in the decision making processes like we had last meeting. I felt like I could actually have a voice other than just electing someone and hoping they have the same goals for the club. I think we are poised to have a great improvement in the club. I hope the conversations stay PRODUCTIVE, FRIENDLY and OPEN. The members have GREAT ideas.

I feel that there should be a more defined sponsorship method. If it was laid out in writing there would be no confusion as to who is giving what.

If the level of sponsorship you want for your particular company is a $500/yr level then you could offer one item that retails for $50 each month for 10 months or give a $20 discount off 5 items a month for 5 months or even pay $500 cash and let the club use the money to buy back items from you as it sees fit. Either way it would be a $500 sponsorship and would qualify for the SAME benefits. Hard to favor someone if it is all in black and white. If there was a higher sponsorship level level you could offer more items or just pay the difference in cash.

I also see lots of mention of the TWO local stores... there are more than two stores right? We could have specific sponsorship from every LFS and have a great relationship with ALL of them if we just treat everyone with the same respect and expectations.

I know that I personally would like to see some sort of poll or sign up sheet for members to list what types of fish, corals, dry goods they would prefer to have at raffles so there aren't items that go with very few tickets in them or items that everyone wants and the club only gets one to raffle. If there was a high demand for clean up critters we could get several bags of them relatively cheap and have a larger raffle. If lots of people wanted a certain fish we could get one at multiple meetings to give more of a chance to win items that are desired instead of the all-too-common "I don't know what I'm gonna do with it but it's mine" after the raffle. (not mentioning names... cough *Stan* cough ) ;)

-- Kevin
 
I donââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢t know that club, as it is, has the organization to offer levels of sponsorship. Also what does or would each level of sponsorship be, and what value would each level have? Would a $500.00 level of sponsorship receive a banner add on our website? A mention in our monthly news letter? A right to a vendors table at our annual frag swap? Also what would offering such sponsorships for a predetermined amount of money, product or services do to our Non-Profit status?
Mike and Daniel were donating frags for the raffle and using the value of the coral as a deduction to their income for tax purposes, this works or worked for them. Dan on the other hand sells us corals at or just above his costs and maintains cash flow for his retail business. Both ways work for the vendor, Mike and Daniels way, works better for the club, by maximizing club profits at the raffle. Both vendors need to be applauded and deserve the club memberââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢s loyalty and support.
As for the other LFS in and around the area, they still support the club with discounts and club days etc. They also deserve our loyalty and support.
Concerning group buys, I think when we find a product that we wish to pursue as a group buy should first be offered to the clubs that support us the most first. Or be put out to bid to these sponsors or stores, the one with the best deal wins the purchase. But keep in mind the product would need to be purchased in sufficient enough quantities to warrant a good discount and a guarantee of this quantity to the seller so as not to stick them with something. We would also need enough lead time as to allow the store time to pursue the item from their purveyor to get the best deal.

These are just some of my random thoughts, and are not intended to be argumentative or challenge anyone elseââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢s posts.
 
This is just my opinion

I think asking vendors/sponsors to donate items for raffles, and cut each others throat on group buys is too much.
 
What is the difference between going to a club sponsor for a group buy and going to someone else? Nobody wants anybody to cut each other's throats. If one can do a group buy on lets say salt if the price break for them is say 150lbs to get .50c off a pound and 300lbs to get .75c off a pound and 500lbs to get a buck off a pound, we as a group need 375lbs so thats we get off as a group buy, the vebdor orders 500lbs and gets the 1.00 off per pound we pay .75 cents per pound off the normal retail orice he gets 1.00 off the whole sale price. he still makes more on us than his discount and the surplus is sold in his store at a higher profit per pound because he bought more.
Seems like a win win to me. I have been involved in retail for 30 plus years and have a pretty good idea on how it works. If the retailer can get a break on larger purchases then everbody wins. If he can't he doesn't do it and passes on the program, for this particular buy.
The vendors sometimes need to donate to a non profit in order to keep their taxes they pay to uncle Sam in line, and no one is saying that they have to donate, buying at or above cost works also, as is evident of raffles to this point.

Just my two cents.
 
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