New Hydor pump
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er1c_the_reefer
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how big are those resun wavers compared to say... a tunze 6100? i was thinking about getting a TS24 set, but if those things work out...
gasman059
The OG mad scientist
Those r really big , I have to agree dhnguyen. We r looking for alternatives I run three mjmods 1200 w/o a single problem for way less money than tunzes( I agree with tunze being a qulity porduct)
But my mods r qulity products 2 LOL
Anyways korallia is comin soon- I tried to get a hold of one via Italy w/osucces secondary to european ac-dc issues. They'r comin so b patient.
But my mods r qulity products 2 LOL
Anyways korallia is comin soon- I tried to get a hold of one via Italy w/osucces secondary to european ac-dc issues. They'r comin so b patient.
Beenalongtime79
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Another anesthesiologist on the boards? Haha... good to see that they have the time to spend outside of work doing fun things not assoc. with medicine.
dippin61
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relative? yeh, as in relative to any other powerhead in the industry.. like for example, the maxi stream modded maxi's. that thing is at least 3 times as big.. easily. comparing it that way, it is HUGEMONGOUS. i mean seriously.. have you seen the shadow those things cast? i have.. in my tank. its gnarly. i have to keep my mushrooms and zoas under that shadow.
and the disdain for tunze, well.. they are overpriced.. plain and simple. considering it probably costs pennies on the dollar to make, not hundreds.
then they have the nerve to put out the nanos, (cost effective? haha) with their 600 gph pump, its still outrageous, especially when their are better alternatives. just kind of a slap in the face. the technology has progressed, and as such, prices are supposed to go down, however with tunze, they dont.
JMO anyways
Beenalongtime79
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Man... you really take the pricing thing very seriously... we get it, Tunze is just not for you at that price point, but slap in the face???
I thought 60 bucks was very reasonable for a well designed, compact pump that you can pretty much maneuver in any which way you can think of.
I don't need to mod it, comes with a magnet mount, extremely manueverable, aesthetically pleasing (IMO... the ball shape just looks better and less obtrusive), quiet, large shroud allows you to put it close to the surface if you like, and puts out really good flow for its size....
and your better alternative at this point include the seios (large and inefficient compared to the propeller pumps) and the maxi mods (requires you mod them yourself, which I don't consider a finished product), the vortechs (expensive, but great product but not designed with the smaller aquarium in mind) and.... (please don't count the korallias because they aren't out yet and no one knows how they really perform)
The tunze's are great products and people are willing to pay extra for that.
JMO
I thought 60 bucks was very reasonable for a well designed, compact pump that you can pretty much maneuver in any which way you can think of.
I don't need to mod it, comes with a magnet mount, extremely manueverable, aesthetically pleasing (IMO... the ball shape just looks better and less obtrusive), quiet, large shroud allows you to put it close to the surface if you like, and puts out really good flow for its size....
and your better alternative at this point include the seios (large and inefficient compared to the propeller pumps) and the maxi mods (requires you mod them yourself, which I don't consider a finished product), the vortechs (expensive, but great product but not designed with the smaller aquarium in mind) and.... (please don't count the korallias because they aren't out yet and no one knows how they really perform)
The tunze's are great products and people are willing to pay extra for that.
JMO
dippin61
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8900006#post8900006 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by rufio173
Man... you really take the pricing thing very seriously... we get it, Tunze is just not for you at that price point, but slap in the face???
I thought 60 bucks was very reasonable for a well designed, compact pump that you can pretty much maneuver in any which way you can think of.
I don't need to mod it, comes with a magnet mount, extremely manueverable, aesthetically pleasing (IMO... the ball shape just looks better and less obtrusive), quiet, large shroud allows you to put it close to the surface if you like, and puts out really good flow for its size....
and your better alternative at this point include the seios (large and inefficient compared to the propeller pumps) and the maxi mods (requires you mod them yourself, which I don't consider a finished product), the vortechs (expensive, but great product but not designed with the smaller aquarium in mind) and.... (please don't count the korallias because they aren't out yet and no one knows how they really perform)
The tunze's are great products and people are willing to pay extra for that.
JMO
huh? this is the first time ive ever said anything about tunze.
slap in the face as in, they should of made a pump that can push more gph then that for 60 bucks. especially when those are still un-controllable. If they would of made them controllable, then maybe it would be more worth it. and of course you should count the maxi mods. they are real cheap, and even easier to put together. only reason its not a finished product, is because marineland dont feel like marketing it. have you seen some of the finished product mods, a lot of RC members are putting together?
the idea of a propellar PH is simple, and quite cheap to make, then why are they so expensive? because people keep buying them at that price, cuz up until recently, there was no competition. companies are finally coming to their senses, and more options will start popping up. and prices will go down. as they should.
and in an industry where things are already expensive, things like that just hit a nerve.
honda internals (supsension, engine etc) in a viper body, is still just a honda.
Beenalongtime79
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haha, you win. I agree, things are expensive in this hobby of ours, but I've found that if you are willing to spend the money on good things up front, then life is much easier in the end.
And no, I don't consider maxi mods a complete product, because you can't just buy the powerhead off the shelf completely modded at a reasonable price. You need to read about the whole process, then you need to acquire the materials (a little easier since they've actually got a site which sells all the materials), unless you are willing to pay 60 bucks for a premium kit from oceanflo and then that doesn't include a magnetic mount, which is completely manueverable. So in the end, is it really worth the time when some people make a good enough living, that the little amount they save on DIYing it would actually not save, but lose them a substantial amount of money and time. Not everybody wants to spend the time constructing a maxi mod and wondering whether it will work or how long it will work. It's simply not worth the trouble for some people.
Honestly, we could argue about this all day... you won't buy a Tunze and I will. Haha
The 660 gph model is for people who don't have a big tank and it's probably making a lot of people with nano tanks really happy. If you need more power, then go for the 6045 and if you want controllable, then go for the 6055.
There may be very good things coming down the pipeline, but right now, the selection is limited and the Tunze nanostreams are definitely filling a niche where many people have been looking for something compact, versatile and dependable.
Peace,
John
And no, I don't consider maxi mods a complete product, because you can't just buy the powerhead off the shelf completely modded at a reasonable price. You need to read about the whole process, then you need to acquire the materials (a little easier since they've actually got a site which sells all the materials), unless you are willing to pay 60 bucks for a premium kit from oceanflo and then that doesn't include a magnetic mount, which is completely manueverable. So in the end, is it really worth the time when some people make a good enough living, that the little amount they save on DIYing it would actually not save, but lose them a substantial amount of money and time. Not everybody wants to spend the time constructing a maxi mod and wondering whether it will work or how long it will work. It's simply not worth the trouble for some people.
Honestly, we could argue about this all day... you won't buy a Tunze and I will. Haha
The 660 gph model is for people who don't have a big tank and it's probably making a lot of people with nano tanks really happy. If you need more power, then go for the 6045 and if you want controllable, then go for the 6055.
There may be very good things coming down the pipeline, but right now, the selection is limited and the Tunze nanostreams are definitely filling a niche where many people have been looking for something compact, versatile and dependable.
Peace,
John
purereefer
In Memoriam
i second the maximod not being a complete kit, also since oceanflo isnt making anything right now doesnt help either.
now the hydor pumps vs a tunze nano stream, the stream wins hands down everyday of the week. it is smaller, like WAY smaller, looks better, less obtrusive, probably better built too. the hydor pumps dont put out the much flow at all. almost like it is soo dispursed that there is very little flow coming from the pump
now the hydor pumps vs a tunze nano stream, the stream wins hands down everyday of the week. it is smaller, like WAY smaller, looks better, less obtrusive, probably better built too. the hydor pumps dont put out the much flow at all. almost like it is soo dispursed that there is very little flow coming from the pump
dippin61
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no.. i never said wouldnt buy a tunze. i was just pointing out a question a poster had asked about earlier in the thread. i was just pointing out my opinion on why some were bashing tunze.
and i would have no problem paying the price they are asking, if it was worth it. and, at this time, its not anymore. sure in the past, they were worth every dime. an most my talk isnt really including the nano streams, cuz up until a month or so ago, they werent out yet. and still are fairly new, and ive heard a few problems with them already. but thats to be expected on first production runs on just about anything.
now.. the vortechs are another story. they are in a league of their own. they have new technology (to most of us anyways) that completely take the PH to a different level. i mean.. having the motor on teh outside of the tank is ingenious. great stuff!
but 300 plus dollars for a regular tunze, and 200 bucks for a controllable nano, with only upto 1453 gph, that money could be spent on coral etc etc.
anyways, the point of my earlier post wasnt to start an argument about tunze. sooooo, back to waiting until feb 7th for the korallia's
and i would have no problem paying the price they are asking, if it was worth it. and, at this time, its not anymore. sure in the past, they were worth every dime. an most my talk isnt really including the nano streams, cuz up until a month or so ago, they werent out yet. and still are fairly new, and ive heard a few problems with them already. but thats to be expected on first production runs on just about anything.
now.. the vortechs are another story. they are in a league of their own. they have new technology (to most of us anyways) that completely take the PH to a different level. i mean.. having the motor on teh outside of the tank is ingenious. great stuff!
but 300 plus dollars for a regular tunze, and 200 bucks for a controllable nano, with only upto 1453 gph, that money could be spent on coral etc etc.
anyways, the point of my earlier post wasnt to start an argument about tunze. sooooo, back to waiting until feb 7th for the korallia's
Beenalongtime79
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I agree on the Vortechs... I may have to purchase one if they ever come out with the controller for them. They've been promising that thing for years now...
I hope its not vaporware and I hope it works just as well as they claim if it ever comes out.
Peace,
John H.
I hope its not vaporware and I hope it works just as well as they claim if it ever comes out.
Peace,
John H.
purereefer
In Memoriam
no i wasnt thinking that the controllable pump pictured was the hydor, i have seen the hydors so i know the difference and also know the size of them and the flow the emit.
purereefer
In Memoriam
i am friends with a place that is testing them and trying them out to see if they want to label them for themselves
Beenalongtime79
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dippin,
Do you have a link to this site showing the vortech's with the remote controller.
I'd love to see how these things look in action!
Peace,
John
Do you have a link to this site showing the vortech's with the remote controller.
I'd love to see how these things look in action!
Peace,
John
Beenalongtime79
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The number 1 korallia is actually not that big...
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