New legislation to ban all aquarium fish from Hawaii

philter4

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Here it is again, another bill on the ballot to ban all collection of tropical fish in Hawaii. Please sign the petition and forward the link to everyone you know to show support for the hobby.

I don't understand why they keep this up every legislative session when the tourism industry with it's beach restorations that silt out acres and acres of reef top, pollutants from people and waste coming from the hotels and damage to the reef by uninformed tourists who walk on, anchor their boats on and otherwise damage the reef is protected yet anyone who keeps an aquarium is the enemy, but it is a fact so please sign and forward it.

http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/hawaiian-fishing-ban.html
 
They are saying to sign the petition against this ban. We all should do this as the original post is right on track with the facts
 
I agree also that the tourism there is a big problem to the reef but maybe the collection of fish there is too. I love my flame angels and my yellow tangs but maybe there is a point to the ban
 
I agree also that the tourism there is a big problem to the reef but maybe the collection of fish there is too. I love my flame angels and my yellow tangs but maybe there is a point to the ban

Only if thy ban fish that have declining numbers
 
I would actually support a seasonal ban and bag limits on specifically declining species similar to what we have here in Wisconsin (and many other places) for sport fishing...

Stopping collection for part of the year allows the population to rebound and ensures that the fish exist for future generations.

I like buying fish...but I want my kids to be able to visit the reefs and see the fish I have in my tank out in the wild.
 
Hawaii already has the ability to selectively restrict any fish that are in danger and have a lot of effective laws in place. IMO, this is just the same group that wants to ban pet shops in San Francisco (except gerbils:inlove:), all sport fishing, etc. I'll boycott pineapples, macadamia nuts, and Don Ho CDs.
 
There is so much proof from both Hawaii and Florida that if you protect about 10% of the breeding grounds of fish the population can be sustained by fishermen of any type. In Hawaii the population of all of the tropical fish are stable or growing, this is documented in yellow tangs and potters angels by the DNR and scientists. In Florida both naso groupers and goliath groupers were considered endangered but in 3 years of protecting the breeding grounds from fishermen they are now so common they are going to open seasons on goliath groupers if not both species.

The main cause of fish decline is habitat damage and putting a season or a ban on tropicals will not stop this. It is totally perception that the aquarium industry is the cause of fish decline at least here in the U.S.A., other countries where reef conservation is not even a concern have their own sets of problems with reef damage but it is becoming more and more apparent and steps are being taken to protect even reefs where it was common to use chemicals or destroy reefs to collect.

The main thing that should be the first question but I haven't heard from any response is if the state can ban the collection how long will it be before they will ban the hobby? Here in California there is a proposal to ban all pets in the city of San Francisco, and it is gaining in support from the people. The ban on dogs and cats passed but was put on hold so they could add birds, since then it now is to include all animals including fish.

Here is a link to the article in the LA Times by Maria L. La Ganga
http://articles.latimes.com/2011/jun/26/local/la-me-goldfish-20110627

This is a direct quote from the article
"Why fish? Why not fish?" said Philip Gerrie, a member of the city's Commission of Animal Control and Welfare and a coauthor of the proposal. "From Descartes on up, in the Western mindset, fish and other nonhuman animals don't have feelings, they don't have emotions, we can do whatever we want to them. If we considered them living beings, we would deal with them differently."¦ Our culture sanctions this, treating them as commodities and expendable."

Another thing that happened although I can't remember the exact state or circumstances is a woman was arrested and charged with animal cruelty for killing a pet rodent. How many rodents are killed to be fed as feeders to reptile owners? If she pleads guilty or is found guilty how long will it be before poisoning or killing a rat in your attic becomes a crime? These laws are based on emotions and not supported by statistics or reason in most cases and to just laugh it off or ignore it is a serious mistake even if you think it doesn't affect you, it very well may affect you in the future.
 
I still think it could be regulated. I just dont see a downside to regulation but I can see where you are all coming from with the whole banning idea. I just think that fish need to be preserved so other generations can see what we have been prevledged to see.
 
I still think it could be regulated. I just dont see a downside to regulation but I can see where you are all coming from with the whole banning idea. I just think that fish need to be preserved so other generations can see what we have been prevledged to see.

If you really believe that regulations are the way to go to preserve the reefs then you have to put regulations that restrict or ban the building and tourism industry, there are already more then enough bans and regulations on the fishing industry for the long term health of the reef and fish populations, just take a look at the research and the regulations, you can start online at Hawaii's DNR website to see the regulations and restrictions they have put on the collection of tropicals.
 
If there was a ban to stop polluting the reef and reduce tourism there I would to preserve the reef. I'm not fighting anyone on their opinions I'm just stating mine, not saying your wrong.
 
I still think it could be regulated. I just dont see a downside to regulation but I can see where you are all coming from with the whole banning idea. I just think that fish need to be preserved so other generations can see what we have been prevledged to see.

The collection of tropical fish already IS heavily (and effectively) regulated in Hawaii. This legislation wants to entirely do away with the industry. The reefs in Hawaii are not in big trouble and the tropical fish industry is not doing serious damage there. Tourists and beginning divers do far more damage to a reef than good, conscience fish collectors. This proposed legislation is PETA on steroids, IMO. If they had their way, nobody would be allowed to keep anything as a "pet" , except a pet cabbage (maybe).
 
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