New Micro, really red

nope he just never has anything good for the hobby. only posts I ever see from him are personal attacks on people. he obviously thinks he is something he is not. 337 posts and I wonder if any of them actually have anything to do with the hobby.
 
Its funny how people get offended when others point of the hypocracy of their relationship with the hobby. I dont need 2000 posts to validate my knowledge of the hobby.
Nice coral,cidory! I actually saw the mother coral this weekend, and it is VERY nice and VERY red!
 
please explain yourself if you want to make accusations?
matt why bring that persons name up? I am not pointing fingers at anyone in particular. I surely wasn't pointing at john I was speaking in general.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8984247#post8984247 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by mattliu
well, we all know it's free market. he could charge 1500 if he wanted to, it's a matter of who's willing. apparently hobbyists are to blame in part for the whole acan craze. i heard someone in the area paid around 60 bucks for a lordho that went for 1200 on ebay. no wonder that degree of gouging trickled all the way back up the lines. don't get me wrong, i'm sure the people that are actually in the industry play a huge part, but hobbyists had a big role in the whole greed scenario by making as much as they could of each other. it kind if blew up in their faces. when i got back in it about a year ago, i asked the infamous oceana how much for a xenia frag. 15/head. wow, is he feeding his family or just trying gouge away. and we are all familiar with the practice of hoard, fraggle, gouge.
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I am not sure I would call what is going on in our hobby price gouging in the true sense of the word. Corals are not essential goods like gasoline or food and we have the right to choose not to buy them without it effecting our quality of living. This hobby is still a fringe industry at best when considering the overall economic landscape so we as the hobbyist are still the driving force behind the cost of the livestock IMOP.
I choose to pay high prices for a coral or fish because I want to own that specific piece at that time. I could probably wait until it is no longer an "it" coral or hope that another hobbyist sells the same piece or I can trade for it but I am impulsive and want it when I want it as are many consumers. I can't expect a business to let me walk in and dictate how much I want to pay for something if I don't agree with the price because there will be someone else more impulsive then me who will pay what they are asking. Prices are going to continue to go up with the influx of more and more hobbyists who are willing to pay more for their livestock to get what they want.
If anything we could all focus any angst toward capitalism on the designer handbag industry (My wife is a Coach purse nut) so I can have more money to buy corals.
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I agree, the purse analogy is really a good one. MY wife has a bunch of Burberry and Coach purses too. If we couldnt afford to buy them, then we wouldnt. The fact is, I cant walk in to Nordstroms and dictate to them what prices they are going to mark items at. I either buy it, or move on.
If your gonna cry about prices, at least cry about the price of gas or the price the AC guy gouges you to come fix your AC unit.....not the price to stay involved in a hobby.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8986446#post8986446 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by playa0069u
you guys are weak lol... no offense but seriously just drop it lol
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Elaborate please?
I guess if I was young I would think this forum is all about begging for free stuff too.
 
i'm not talking about about paying divers to collect something, selling the livestock to distributers, then to retailers, and then to the end consumer. i'm talking about when our fellow hobbyists hoard all the choice pieces and then turn around and bust the hell out of them and make money off each other.

i'm no economist but i would guess that drives up the cost of the product. if the industry sees this practice they are going to want their cut.

oceana charged more for coral than a retail shop. period.
 
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8987608#post8987608 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by mattliu
i'm not talking about about paying divers to collect something, selling the livestock to distributers, then to retailers, and then to the end consumer. i'm talking about when our fellow hobbyists hoard all the choice pieces and then turn around and bust the hell out of them and make money off each other.

i'm no economist but i would guess that drives up the cost of the product. if the industry sees this practice they are going to want their cut.

oceana charged more for coral than a retail shop. period.
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I am not so sure that the chop shops are influencing the prices of coral in the magnitude we are seeing. They are just a result of the business end of the hobby.
I honestly believe that the increase in the costs of corals are mainly due to marketing and internet sales which has glamourized the hobby. Slap the word Tyree, limited edition, or rare and come up with a designer name like Purple People Eaters and watch the prices go through the roof regardless of the true rarity of the coral. The interesting thing about our hobby is unlike other fads in different industries the coral fads seem to stay longer mainly due to the much more limited supply of each piece. The market doesn't seem to get as saturated like other fad driven businesses thus the burn out factor takes a while to set in. I have been waiting for all of the Monti's like the Superman, Sunset, Rainbows, etc to start coming down in price since they were the "it" corals from last year but I honestly don't see that happening anytime soon.

By the, Matt I am not picking on you. You're just making some good points regarding the subject at hand and I think they make for a good discussion.
 
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