new Tyree LE... tenuis??

[organism]

I've got a lot of respect for Tyree since he's really done a lot for the captive raised movement, but some dude on another forum was happy as a clam spamming his new LE... a tenuis. Same as the one that's all over the hobby, same coloration, only "brighter". Pretty weird considering some of the day-glo tenuis posted in this section by a lot of you guys with good systems.

I thought it was a joke, seriously, but turns out it was not. So have I lost it, or does it seem like the LE thing is intent on slowly but surely driving itself off a cliff? It sucks, because love him or hate him Tyree is at least known for putting some really nice corals out there, but lately, and I've heard the same from quite a few hobbyists, it seems like he's devaluing his name by slapping it on any old thing with a blue picture. Like what's next, a green slimer that's greener than the other ones?

 

[JT3069]

Maybe he is just burnt out, but still has to make a paycheck
using his name

not defending the guy just stating how some things are
or maybe he is working on something big
who knows call him up and ask him if you want the truth

 

[29reef]

It's true. Most of the new LE corals are wild and not that great. I don't support anyone charging $75+ for a frag of a wild coral. That's just greed IMO, it does nothing to better the hobby. People are pricing and selling corals like we are in an economic boom right now. This hobby has become a collector game for many. It's a shame, but I don't let it get to me too much. I just buy all the nice captive raised corals that will continue to thrive and create a great looking display.

 

[29reef]

I'd also like to add this one.

http://www.reeffarmers.com/limitedrukisbluemonster.htm

It's just a joke at this point. SCR is full of characters who use their close access to wholesale facilities to gain LE status in the hobby and sell their premium bs frags. *** is another company with many LEs that come straight from the ocean only to be fragged up and sold after only a few weeks.

 

[JT3069]

I do agree with you on the prices
i think i couldn't have said it better
but how are we as consumers suppost to stop this
economical gouge and misleading names?


All corals will look different in someone elses tank!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[gon08]

I do agree with you on the prices
i think i couldn't have said it better
but how are we as consumers suppost to stop this
economical gouge and misleading names?


All corals will look different in someone elses tank!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The answer is simple. DON'T BUY THEM. As for LE corals.... I don't care who sells it there is no such thing. All (and by all I mean EVERY SINGLE CORAL) was wild at one point. Corals are not created, not by man at least, so to claim and name a coral the ridiculous names they give coral nowadays is just egotistical and dumb (IMO). I prefer to try to ID a coral as close as possible by species with the name of whomever "FOUND" it on the side ie; ORA A. hyacinthus instead of Red Planet.
Corals look different under different conditions and a coral in Tyree's tank most likely will not look the same in someone else's tank. As for pricing.... as long as people pay these crazy prices for frags they will continue to sell them at those prices.

 

[JT3069]

Right on!!!! Someone paid attention in class
supply and demand
if we quit buying there is no demand so they will stop doing as you stated above

but there are people (excuse me if you are one) that look at a pic and say oh thats kool and waste alot of money on it (weather it dies or lives)
the company sees demand and frags more

 

[organism]

It's true. Most of the new LE corals are wild and not that great. I don't support anyone charging $75+ for a frag of a wild coral. That's just greed IMO, it does nothing to better the hobby.

I'd also like to add this one.

http://www.reeffarmers.com/limitedrukisbluemonster.htm

It's just a joke at this point. SCR is full of characters who use their close access to wholesale facilities to gain LE status in the hobby and sell their premium bs frags..

Very well said (and wow on that LE fail), he used to be big on only taking in corals that were proven to do well in captivity, and he did promote some great stuff over the years. The guy really has done more to further the aquaculture movement than just about anyone since his corals can be so high profile and I have tons of respect for him. Recently though it's these fresh wild colonies going direct from wholesaler to LE, and a lot of it is stuff he would've passed on a few year's back.

It's not really about prices to me on this one, it's more about misrepresenting some very generic corals as must-haves. If it's a really nice coral then to some it's going to be worth the price, but if it's not anything special then isn't that just taking advantage of the few people who don't realize how common it is and are buying it just for the brand? It's like Sony, they make some good stuff, but if they started slapping that logo Krusty the Clown style onto junk then the brand starts losing its credibility. Eventually it turns into reverse supply and demand, where your supply quality decreases demand, and that's a shame for a guy who for so long has been associated with putting some nice stuff out there.

 

[MammothReefer]

photos of corals on the net are a double pendulum. It's rare they look as they do in real life. Given different lighting combos and photo settings it's possible to find corals that don't look the same have a similar appearance in separate systems. I'm a huge tenuis fan and have yet to see any "bright teal" tenuis. I wouldn't hesitate paying a premium for one. I'd have to check it out in RL though.

 

[29reef]

The green hornet and the blue monster have only been in captivity for less then a month. The photos that are on reeffarmers are of the colonies fresh out of the ocean. They are a misrepresentation of the sps colony and should be removed as LE and listed as AE corals.

 

[gon08]

Heres mine

 

[gon08]

 

[dvanacker]

ya....that is B.S.

I like most people associate tyree LE to proven aquacultured SPS. Now that he is allowing recently acquired wild corals into the loop it devalues any future items I see for sale with that name. sad.

 

[Dog boy Dave]

Dont buy corals for their name. Buy them because you like them. That said, here is my purple monster.

Who cares who's name is on it. Its an awsume coral. Its not expensive because of the name, its expensive because its hard to keep alive long term and gorgeous when its healthy and grown out.

 

[Dog boy Dave]

 

[Dog boy Dave]

One of the reasons a lot of people push the "name " of their corals so much is they cant get them looking good enough by raising them so they fall back on the name.

 

[organism]

The green hornet and the blue monster have only been in captivity for less then a month. The photos that are on reeffarmers are of the colonies fresh out of the ocean. They are a misrepresentation of the sps colony and should be removed as LE and listed as AE corals.

Wow, I hadn't even seen those. What's worse is he's not even hiding that they're wild colonies:

"The Green Hornet Acropora was imported during the late summer of 2011"

What's that like a month ago?

ya....that is B.S.

I like most people associate tyree LE to proven aquacultured SPS. Now that he is allowing recently acquired wild corals into the loop it devalues any future items I see for sale with that name. sad.

It really is a shame

Dog boy Dave that is a bad *** purple monster by the way, great tank!

 

[MechEng99]

IMO, this is stemming from how the softies/LPS community differs from the SPS community.

Years ago, a "named" coral was a coral that someone found, grew successfully, and made sure the coral kept its coloration over the years. This was a coral that everyone knew would look like the photos, would live in their system, and was completely worth the extra $$$. Those were also the days when most corals were hacked out of the ocean without much care, had poor shipping/handling, and then LFS care was almost non-existent. A good Acropora was hard to come by.

Now you have certain websites (which shall remain unnamed) who allow various people to post up pictures of their "named" corals so John Doe can know what his coral is called that he picked up from the LFS...who just hacked up a random colony from the ocean. You see it all the time with zoanthids especially. Those people jack their prices up b/c they don't understand the price used to be determined by lineage. So, they may have a less vivid colored coral (look at the "real" superman monti vs all the knockoffs out there).

IME, the SPS community has been the most true to the original intent of "named" corals. But, the old timers can't keep up with the pace of "new releases" that are tried & true compared to the new shops hack jobs.

We're doing this to ourselves. We're encouraging the practice of hacking, naming, and selling. Demand lineage for named corals...that's what we're paying for.

Oh, and if any of you are into exotic plants or anything like that (or even purebred animals), they have a pretty good system worked out. Yes, they use some funky names sometimes, and sometimes they use their own names. But guess what - the names have lineage...and a proven track record.

There's my soapbox.

 

[Pallobi]

One of the reasons a lot of people push the "name " of their corals so much is they cant get them looking good enough by raising them so they fall back on the name.

OMG, i couldnt agree with this more!

 

[Dana42078]

If we as consumers stop buying from these places asking outragious prices and keep it within our community as hobbiest we would be better off. Ive never charged what i paid for a coral.....EVER...maybe thats just me. But IMO id say 75-80% of the ppl on here and on other forums charge jacked prices and the circle continues...At the frag swap i was just at in chicago. Me: How much for those zoa's? Seller: $40pp.....Me: *laugh*

Next guy that walks up while im still standing there..... Guy:How mcuh for those zoa's? Seller: $40pp.....Guy: I want it....Seller: 160 dollars....

I had to walk away before i said something. Its BS like that, that makes me not like the hobby. Sure they were cool looking but for someone to just charge crap prices is just crazy and uncalled for. Jus my 2 cents.