newbie question

d-maz

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I`m getting ready to start setting up my new tank and I have a few questions.

Sand- rinse or don`t rinse? I have 40#s of live sand and 40#s of regular aragonite. Rinse all or just aragonite?

Do you put the sand in before the live rock or vice versa? I`ve read both ways.

My live rock is coming Thursday. Since this is a new tank, should I clean and scrub the rock or leave all the stuff on it? Should I rinse with fresh water or use RO/DI water?

That`s it for know, but there will be many questions to come.

Dave

P.S.- If anyone has any Live Rock they want to sell, I`m interested in it. I only bought 50#s. That stuffs EXPENSIVE!:eek1:
 
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Rinse the aragonite. i always put the rock in first, then sand, but really it is preference. I would still scrub the rock to get any unwanted algae spores or hitchikers off of it. rinse with saltwater prepared with RO/DI water.
hope that helps. GL
 
Rinse the sand, a few times. See if you can take back the LS, you don't need it, your LR will seed it (unless you got it for a good price, then save on gas ;) ). how deep is your sandbed going to be?
 
With as many fish and critters that dig in the sand its a really good idea to set the rock on the bare bottom and add sand after, otherwise you risk having the rocks fall and either crush your animals or worse blow out the glass. I have a goby that is a constant digger and lives in caves that it digs out under my rocks. I agree with Kramer if you can trade the "live sand" for more arragonite i would do that. Also you are gonna use a bunch of water in the rinse process, so have plenty of RO water on hand. And if you haven't bought "fish tank only" buckets and marked them with Sharpie markers that would also be a good idea. Get ones that will pour easy and won't kill you to pick up when near full of water. My 2 cents, or maybe a nickel...
 
i would consider spraying/misting or rinsing the uncured liverock in plain ro/di water first to get any unwanted critters out of the rock. This may take sometime but it is worth it in the end. When i got my rock i did it that way and i found 3 stone crabs that scurried out of the rock and into the fresh water bucket. You may have to let the rock soak for a few minutes. I have gotten crabs, and mantis shrimp out this way. But if you want to use the saltwater that would be ok also, but wont get any yucky critters out that may cause problems later on.
 
Hi,

I would rinse the aragonite and not the live sand. Live sand had bacteria in it & if you rinse it you might wash some or most of the bacteria away. I always put the sand in 1st then the live rock. Pour your tankwater very slowly over the live rock so you don't stir up the snand bed. If the live rock is cured you can just pick off whats obvious and put it in your tank. If it's uncured pick off what you can and put it in. The uncured will have a little longer "cure" cycle but both the cured & uncured live rock will have die off due to the transporation. I would let the tank sit for a week until the live rock has cycled, then add some crabs or snails, then maybe some kind of hardy fish. Your inverts & fish will add "material" to feed your live rock. You could rinse the live rock if you wish with RO water. It might shake out a couple of "bad" hitchhikers.

Dave
 
Rinse the sand? I totally disagree, if you rinse the sand you will lose all the most fine particulate matter in the sand. While that may result in an initial quicker clearing of the water this loss is not desirable. if you read articles by Dr. Ron Shimek on deep sand beds, a good sandbed is mostly composed of the finer grade sand, with very little of the larger grade...this allows the burrowing critters to get in and around better and allow the denitrifying process to work best. I got the aragonite sand in my tank shipped directly from the shole source in the Caribbean (benefit of the Southdown supplier being a personal client of my father's aggregate testing business for over 20 years). I never rinsed the stuff. What I did do is put it though a graded sieve machine and graded it out. I kept all the stuff under one milimeter and then added a very small portion of the larger back in. My sendbed works great from this.

Moreover, whether you trade the livesand in depends on whether it is actually live sand that came out of a tank or commercial "live sand" from a bag. The commercial livesand is crap, the important stuff like the worms can't live in a bag that long. On the other hand you really do need to seed your sandbed with good livesand. The worms don't really live in liverock so they do a **** poor job of seeding the bed. I tried the rock route and after 3 months nothing. I added about 3 or 4 pounds of livesand that I got from Salty Critter and a guy from this board and within about two months my sandbed was CRAWLING with all the critters. Just make sure that the person you get your sand from has an immaculate tank. No ick, no nuisance algea, no aiptasia, etc. Best to SEE the tank you are getting it from. Also not a bad idea to quarantine the sand...ick and most other predeators or parasites will die after a few weeks without fish or corals to prey on. You could still feed the livesand just a little once a week, that way the critters don't starve, but there is probably enough leftovers in any good livesand for them to live a month on anyway.

As for the rock, I agree with what is said on here, rinse gently or mist with some ro/di water..that might chase out any rock crabs or mantis shrimp. Don't use regular water as the chlorine in municipal water will kill the coraline algea and most anything else as well. Also don't leave the rock out of water too long or many of the best stuff on the rocks, such as sponges, will croak, not to mention when sponges go the cycling will take a lot longer. Also, if you want to you need not cycle the rock in tank because if you do so you will probably need to do at least a 75% waterchange after cycling prior to adding livestock. If possible you should cycle in a rubbermaid or something with a moderate amount of light on the rock while cycling to preserve the coraline algae. This is better in my opinion because then you can take the cured rock right out at the end of the cycle, pull off any dead sponges or macro algae, and put it right into the pristine water of your tank. All the little detritus and other crap that the rock has shed over the curing period will be left at the bottom of the curing contained to be tossed along with the crappy curing water. Also, if you hear a mantis shrimp or anything during the curing process, it will certainly be easier to pull out the rock and do a search in a rubbermaid tub than in the main tank, what with the risk of scratching the glass or acrylic during rock removal and all.

Anyway, just my two cents...or four cents
 
If your live rock is uncured put it in the tank first and start skimming for about 2 weeks .Dont add the sand until the rock looks like all the bad stuff is out otherwise the bad stuff has a place to hide and will be much harder to get out.That is it will hide in the sand.
 
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