Nice :(

[logan 12]

im not trying to be a smart *** but some one once told me to never to use chemicals in my tank ummm i think it was logan12 sorry to hear about your lose bro and also sorry i didnt make it over this weekend to get that anamone i will try to make it this weekend if thats ok pm me if thats cool

LOL I did say that, but a fight can only last so long until one gives up or in, in this case.

Found the problem thanks to trademark. I was putting oxygen into the system following directions, but what if the oxygen levels are normal and there is no need for added oxygen. Then the oxygen lowers pH. This is what occured, my pH is not too low but is low and as trademark mentioned samll fish have more trouble with lower pH then bigger fish. So I have taken out the extra oxygen and did a slight water change so pH will hopefully slowly come back to normal range. I also am about to order salt. Thanks for those who offered but I think I am going to be good. Salt level is 1.022 alittle low but I shold be able to get salt here by tuesday.

 

[logan 12]

Sounds like a bad deal Logan. I've only had to deal with it once and luckily a couple 3 day tank blackouts got rid of it for me. If you're running a skimmer I wouldn't even worry about adding the air stone.

Dang Jason where were you 4 days ago. Good call, think that was the problem. May have been good the first two days but hte third day was too much oxygen.

Oh and my quad still does not run.

 

[jtrasap]

Dang Jason where were you 4 days ago. Good call, think that was the problem. May have been good the first two days but hte third day was too much oxygen.

I was laying in bed, sick as can be 4 days ago. I thought I was going to die... Good as gold now though.

Often times PH will drop in the winter because people keep there houses closed up tight trying to keep warm, which in turn causes a rise in co2 in the air in the house. If you were using a regular old bubbler with a little air pump you were probably bubbling some pretty co2 heavy air into the water which would in turn lower the ph. Most of the time just cracking a window and letting some fresh air in now and then will help with low co2 issues.

Oh and my quad still does not run.

Sucks to hear that. Wish you were closer, I'd swing by and take a look at it.

 

[Dave Dunbar]

If your PH dropped your alk in the tank should be lower also!! I think that a Alk swing was the problem. Cyno is caused by alot of things out of wack!! Mostly high nutrients, low flow and skimmer problems. I'd check your Alk and try and skim wetter. One thing I have learned is "DONT BLOW IT AROUND WITH A TURKEY BASTER" if you do you'll just spread it all over!! And for the small fish having more trouble with PH??? Your Tangs should have been the first to show any signs of stress. Clowns are tough little guys!! Any way they ate any of the powder?? Just a thought??? How about your fresh water? Checked the TDS lately? If your putting more crap in the water than removing on WC's your never get it clened up! How about water storage containers are they clean?
good luck
Dave

 

[TripleT]

what fish have you added to your tank recently?

 

[llewoh05]

Logan -

Im sorry to hear of your troubles. Hope your fish survive. I have a couple odd tanks ready to use if you need them. Also have RO, salt and spare skimmer. just gimme a call. I know you have a window in your room. have you tried taking the air line from your skimmer and run it out the window. Might help with the fresh air.

 

[logan 12]

If your PH dropped your alk in the tank should be lower also!! I think that a Alk swing was the problem. Cyno is caused by alot of things out of wack!! Mostly high nutrients, low flow and skimmer problems. I'd check your Alk and try and skim wetter. One thing I have learned is "DONT BLOW IT AROUND WITH A TURKEY BASTER" if you do you'll just spread it all over!! And for the small fish having more trouble with PH??? Your Tangs should have been the first to show any signs of stress. Clowns are tough little guys!! Any way they ate any of the powder?? Just a thought??? How about your fresh water? Checked the TDS lately? If your putting more crap in the water than removing on WC's your never get it clened up! How about water storage containers are they clean?
good luck
Dave

The tank is a 33 long, I have an mp10es on the tank, it moves the tank as far as flow so don't think thats the problem. I have an over sized skimmer on the tank and it is set to wet skim and has been doing so ever since I put red slime remover in. As alk rises it just allows for a more stable enviroment so things do not change as much or swing as some call it. So yes the alk had to drop if the ph dropped that low, not sure if thats the cause. The pH would have more of the factor or the water chemistry then the alk. I do not know what my TDS's are I run a RO/DI unit and have well water. This may be the cause.

 

[logan 12]

what fish have you added to your tank recently?

The two B&W and the possume wrasse were the newest members.

 

[jtrasap]

I'm on well water and I have to change my RO membrane about every 6 months or the tds after the RO starts to skyrocket, but how often a membrane needs changed all depends on the incoming water and how much you run through it in a given time.

 

[fastrc]

Well the BIG question after all this drama is the slime gone??

 

[logan 12]

All the red slime is gone, just this greenish-tan stuff where the red slime used to be.

 

[Sloeber]

Logan,

As you know, I have used that in the past with good success in both my tanks and those of my clients. And I continue to recommend it as needed. As you also know I make a habit out of keeping rare or delicate fish. Never a problem.

I would be surprised if an airstone actually did anything, one way or another. If a skimmer is running and airstone is doing nothing beyond that. Furthermore, O2 does not lower pH, CO2 does that.

Also alkalinity having anything to do with harming fish is a stretch. Before the alk is a problem the pH fallout would do the trick.

More than liely, and entirely a guess... you had way too much cyano in your tank, and killing it released an over-abundance of lethal bacteria. Remember, dino and cyano are poisonous. I didn't read this whole thread, but im curious if you were running carbon?

 

[logan 12]

Yep just changed the carbon, and it is now in a reactor instead of just a bag. I did a water change and pulled the airstone, pH is back to normal aroun 8-8.2. Well at least normal for my tanks.

 

[ThaChad]

I've never tried that product before, but I've use Chemiclean Red Slime remover a dozen times with out ANY ill effects.

You need to ask your self, WHY you have red slime? Your tank conditions arn't 100% if you have red slime. When I've had it in the past it was because I got lazy on my water changes.

Do you have a skimmer? The skimmer comes in 48 hours after you treat the tank with Red Slime Remover, the skimmer removed all the crap now floating in your water column.

I know the Chemiclean Red Slime remover says to turn off the skimmer for 24-48 hours while treating the tank. Something sounds off in the instructions you posted as if you run a skimmer, the skimmer will take the treatment right out of the water column which means it wont work anyway.

-TheChad

 

[logan 12]

Those are the instruction right off the website. Yep I would say something is fishy, also the phone number that they posted on there website is no good. Hmmmm... I also rarely do water changes on any of my tanks, some may look down on this but it has worked well for me.

 

[medic29]

O2 does not lower pH, CO2 does that.

More than liely, and entirely a guess... you had way too much cyano in your tank, and killing it released an over-abundance of lethal bacteria. Remember, dino and cyano are poisonous.

This was my first thought when I read the post about the air stone lowering the pH...impossible unless you were pumping total CO2 into the tank via the air stone...the only way for this to happen is if the air the air pump was pumping into the tank had very high levels of CO2, this air comes from within the house...if this was the case no human could survive in that atmosphere. Yes, in the winter the CO2 levels will rise some in a house because it is shut up, but our houses still breathe during the winter, they are not air tight. If the CO2 in the house got that high to affect the tank via the air stone, everyone in the house including the animals would be dead. Increasing the CO2 makes carbonic acid which is what lowers the pH, thus increasing the air in the tank water, which is still going to have roughly 18% oxygen versus the 5% CO2, and 70+% nitrogen via the air stone is not going to decrease the pH.

With all of the being said, something else lowered the pH....my guess, the slime remover and/or the toxins released d/t the die off of the bacteria.

It is still a mystery to me as to why the fish died and the others are having issues. I have very strong feelings it has something to do with the slime remover and is a direct result of adding that to your tank.

I still believe the red slime is part of a tank cycling and if it continues...then there is something off in the tank. If I had to make an educated guess...the cause has something to do with you water coming out of a well....especially from over in the Mahomet area, that water is usually loaded with additional minerals. What is also interesting to me...you and FastRC are both having major issues with the red slime algae...you both get your water from residential wells. This is a common factor in both of these cases and you guys are not located that far from each other...thus the content of the water in the wells may be very similar.

If it were me, in both cases I'd look at getting RO water from someone else for a while and use it for your top off and water changes and see if this happens to help at all. You could purchase it from a LFS if you wanted, but that would get awfully expensive. I'm sure there are quite a few of us here who could help you out with water. I know personally, most times I have well over 30 gallons of RO/DI water on hand and can make up 50 gallons of it in less than 8 hours. But like I said, this is what I believe is most likely the cause and where I would start until it is ruled out.

 

[jtrasap]

I don't think the low PH had anything to do with the fish dying, but, high co2 is a common cause of low PH in tanks in the winter. Especially in tightly sealed homes with gas heat.

I also agree that the incoming water is most likely the cause of the Cyano outbreak. I'm on well water and on one occasion I had an outbreak of Cyano when I got lazy about changing my RO membrane and DI resin. I have to change my membrane about every 6 months and my DI resin about every 8 months or so. It's hard telling what's in our ground water considering the chemicals that are put on the fields.

I also agree with Sloeber in that it could have been the die-off of the cyano that poisoned the fish.

 

[fastrc]

My outbreak started when i was getting RO water from sailfin, Thats 1 reason i bought a RO system for my house, Ive tried every cure/remedy that everyone has said might be the cause and still slime. Like everyone says theres a reason but nobody has hit on the reason that causing mine that has worked or even slowed the growth down, Ive changed water/feeding habits/flow/tried 4 different filter type media that john @ sailfin recommended because he is 100% against slime-away products. Now im on my 2nd lights out attempt to rid this chit from my tank. After this if its not gone im following in logans steps and running slime-away.
P.S. medic answer your texts! lol

 

[medic29]

P.S. medic answer your texts! lol

Sorry, working on the fish room and had laid my phone down.

 

[newreefer2]

I remember back when I had my first red slime outbreak there was a thread where people said it was a common occurrence when people use two part plumbing epoxy to glue there rocks together....I forget which components in the epoxy were blaimed but have you used it in your tank lately?