BeanAnimal
Premium Member
Zeph want to send that D70 body this way 
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BeanAnimal
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All of the Nikon DSLRs use the same lenses. The newer D40 is limited the the newer AF lenses (that have a focus motor built into them). The D40 is great but you would be limited in what "older" lenses you could use. This only matters if you wanted to buy older used glass from eBay etc. If you intended on buying newer Nikon glass anway... then the D40 is not a bad choice. You really can not go wrong with any of them.
You will get a few years use out of the body... as technology changes very fast. Put your money in NEW Nikon VR glass when possible. You can always upgrade bodies later.
You will get a few years use out of the body... as technology changes very fast. Put your money in NEW Nikon VR glass when possible. You can always upgrade bodies later.
BeanAnimal
Premium Member
I am not sure what you do not understand, so I am not sure what to explain.
AF = Auto Focus
Some lenses have built in motors that move the lens elements into focus, others have rely on a motor in the camera to sping a small driveshaft that moves the lens elements. The newer D40 will only autofocus with lenses that have built in motors (The AF lenses). Others here cna give you much more detail. Just about ALL Nikon lenses will physically fit on ANY Nikon Film or Digital body. Some functions may or may not work depending on the lens and body combination.
VR = Vibrtation reduction. Long story short the lens has a stabilization system built in. Most of the NEW Nikon lenses use this technology.
Hope that helps.
AF = Auto Focus
Some lenses have built in motors that move the lens elements into focus, others have rely on a motor in the camera to sping a small driveshaft that moves the lens elements. The newer D40 will only autofocus with lenses that have built in motors (The AF lenses). Others here cna give you much more detail. Just about ALL Nikon lenses will physically fit on ANY Nikon Film or Digital body. Some functions may or may not work depending on the lens and body combination.
VR = Vibrtation reduction. Long story short the lens has a stabilization system built in. Most of the NEW Nikon lenses use this technology.
Hope that helps.
maroun.c
New member
Camera bodies will last more than a few years, however technology is moving really fast which means you will feel the urge to upgrade when you hear about new options on newer bodies...
Concerning the camera I would rather get a D50 or preferrably a D70s then buy the D40 as the D40 will limit you to AF lenses which are more expensive than many very popular lenses that you can get for around 100 usd.
So basically what you save in the body you will pay in lenses unless yo uhave nothing agains focusing maually...
I guess your best bet is to buy a D70s (used or a new one if you can afford it) there has been 4 new releases after it however I guess it is better than the D40 and D50.
D80 in my opinion is not worth the additional money as it does not offer any real advantages (at least to me and my style of shooting...) also If I can afford the D80 I will save a bit more and get the D200.
D200 is of course a lot better ( at least for higher frame rate and better body built and weather sealing, in addition to more options including bigger LCD and higher MP... some of those options are present in D50 and 80 but the important ones are not) D200 is another league of cameras and deserves it's price tag of course, however is less beginner friendly and I guess it's price will fall down after some years when yo ufeel you want to upgrade. for now get your self a decent camera (all of the ones mentioned here are but my choice was and remains for hte D70s) then slowly build up your glass collection then move to a better body if you feel the need to.
Concerning the camera I would rather get a D50 or preferrably a D70s then buy the D40 as the D40 will limit you to AF lenses which are more expensive than many very popular lenses that you can get for around 100 usd.
So basically what you save in the body you will pay in lenses unless yo uhave nothing agains focusing maually...
I guess your best bet is to buy a D70s (used or a new one if you can afford it) there has been 4 new releases after it however I guess it is better than the D40 and D50.
D80 in my opinion is not worth the additional money as it does not offer any real advantages (at least to me and my style of shooting...) also If I can afford the D80 I will save a bit more and get the D200.
D200 is of course a lot better ( at least for higher frame rate and better body built and weather sealing, in addition to more options including bigger LCD and higher MP... some of those options are present in D50 and 80 but the important ones are not) D200 is another league of cameras and deserves it's price tag of course, however is less beginner friendly and I guess it's price will fall down after some years when yo ufeel you want to upgrade. for now get your self a decent camera (all of the ones mentioned here are but my choice was and remains for hte D70s) then slowly build up your glass collection then move to a better body if you feel the need to.
BeanAnimal
Premium Member
Thats it D200s for everybody! we can all easily make the justification somehow If I think about it too much I will hate my D50!
maroun hit the nail on the head. The camera will surely last for more than a few years... but you will, without a doubt, want to upgrade in a few years (if you find you enjoy the hobby). That is why I suggested putting the big money in the lenses. Nikon is not going to leave you hanging and change lens mounts in a few years. Some other manufacturers have done it several times.
If I think about it too much I will hate my D50!maroun hit the nail on the head. The camera will surely last for more than a few years... but you will, without a doubt, want to upgrade in a few years (if you find you enjoy the hobby). That is why I suggested putting the big money in the lenses. Nikon is not going to leave you hanging and change lens mounts in a few years. Some other manufacturers have done it several times.
edwing206
New member
this is what i am looking at
http://cgi.ebay.com/Nikon-D50-Digit...QQihZ006QQcategoryZ122616QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
not that exact auction but that's what it comes with. will those lenses be good enough for me as i get better at photography within a few years? thanks
http://cgi.ebay.com/Nikon-D50-Digit...QQihZ006QQcategoryZ122616QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
not that exact auction but that's what it comes with. will those lenses be good enough for me as i get better at photography within a few years? thanks
maroun.c
New member
I'm not able to tell if the 70-300 is the G type or ED???
70-300 G is said to be less sharp than the ED and the ED is just acceptable.
Also you will not have the wide side covered. you could still need a wider lens for indoor shots also none of the above is a fast lens so you will endup with 2 slower lenses and no VR to support them. This could be ok if you will be using flash. You will need to buy an external flash at some time however to cut down the expense at the initial stage I would rather go with something that gets away without high light demand.
For that yo uhave lots of options and it's a matter of personal preference to decide on which to get:
- fast lenses (zooms or primes) ie lenses witha wider aperture (down to 2.8, and even 1.4): those are the best glass usually used by professionals and as you might have guessed really expensive stuff. However a minority of those is fast, sharp and still affordable 50mm 1.8 sells for less than 100 usd new, the 1.4 version is around 3 times the plus but believe it or not for what it offers is still considered cheap. You could go with the 1.8 version: fast lens, great for portraits and shots of the fish without flash and sometimes without tripod, it's what I mostly ues at aquarium visits, especially if flash is not allowed. if I can use flash, coupled with this lens I get perfect results.
- Fast non nikon glass of that I will mention the Tamron 18-50 and Sigma 17-55 these are still considered fast and sharp enough, would not give the same sharpness of nikon glass but still come a t a fraction of the price. I never used any of those and therefore suggest you make yoru research on them if yo udecide to get any of them in the future.
- Slower Nikon glass: the Nikon 18-70 Kit lens (I prefer to have it over the 18-50) is considered very sharp and can be gotten at a great price when you buy it with the body. at a maximum zoom of 70 you can shoot at shutter speeds of 1/70 which does not exist on the camera so basically 1/80 or 1/60 or 50 if yo uhave stable hands. this speed can be achievable with acceptable light levels and boosting the ISO. The school of thought on this is that yo ucan getaway with longer exposure times with shorter lenses.
others (Me included) prefer to have a faster lens even at hte wider area or have VR at that side of the zoom. that's where the 18-200 VR comes in. it might sound a bit expensive at around 700 usd if yo umanage to find it but still it's a multiple solution:
wide lens for scenery or use for indoo shots. acceptable zoom for wildlife (maybe not birds) fast focus. convenient for frequesnt travelers as I traveled on many instances with just this lens. then a set of extension tubes or cheaper yet a set of closeup filters allows me decent macros with autofocus and metering still possible. also this lens allows yo uto manage any scene without need for changing lenses which is combersome and leeds to missed shots sometimes as well as more risk of introducing dust to your sensor. and above all VR II which allows you to shoot at 4 times slower shutter speeds.
Some others would prefer an 18-70 that they buy with the camera for a cheap price and then couple it now with the 70-300 VR which is much sharper (Never used it but that's what it's reviews show) than the G or ED type and still sharper and cheaper than the 18-200 in addition to offering a longer reach.
Adition of a Kenko 1.4 Teleconverter on this lens is possible which gives you a 420 mm lens (at f 8 so good loight is necessary which is usualyy no big problem for wildlife) this provides a longer reach handholdable solution that gives accepable results at a fraction of the price of the high zooms.
Basically you have lots of options to consider and believe me chosing the body is much easier than the lenses, you will have to consider your shooting style and your budget and act from there.
The cheapest solution with good value for now would be to get a good deal on a used D50 or 70s with it's kit lens and use it for a while before buying a (faster lens for portraits, a longer zoom for wildlife, a faster lens for low light, a macro lens.... according to what yo usee you're missing most)
One more expensive solution that would allow you to go for more time without getting anything would be the body + 18-200 VR.
Keep us informed on what you chose
70-300 G is said to be less sharp than the ED and the ED is just acceptable.
Also you will not have the wide side covered. you could still need a wider lens for indoor shots also none of the above is a fast lens so you will endup with 2 slower lenses and no VR to support them. This could be ok if you will be using flash. You will need to buy an external flash at some time however to cut down the expense at the initial stage I would rather go with something that gets away without high light demand.
For that yo uhave lots of options and it's a matter of personal preference to decide on which to get:
- fast lenses (zooms or primes) ie lenses witha wider aperture (down to 2.8, and even 1.4): those are the best glass usually used by professionals and as you might have guessed really expensive stuff. However a minority of those is fast, sharp and still affordable 50mm 1.8 sells for less than 100 usd new, the 1.4 version is around 3 times the plus but believe it or not for what it offers is still considered cheap. You could go with the 1.8 version: fast lens, great for portraits and shots of the fish without flash and sometimes without tripod, it's what I mostly ues at aquarium visits, especially if flash is not allowed. if I can use flash, coupled with this lens I get perfect results.
- Fast non nikon glass of that I will mention the Tamron 18-50 and Sigma 17-55 these are still considered fast and sharp enough, would not give the same sharpness of nikon glass but still come a t a fraction of the price. I never used any of those and therefore suggest you make yoru research on them if yo udecide to get any of them in the future.
- Slower Nikon glass: the Nikon 18-70 Kit lens (I prefer to have it over the 18-50) is considered very sharp and can be gotten at a great price when you buy it with the body. at a maximum zoom of 70 you can shoot at shutter speeds of 1/70 which does not exist on the camera so basically 1/80 or 1/60 or 50 if yo uhave stable hands. this speed can be achievable with acceptable light levels and boosting the ISO. The school of thought on this is that yo ucan getaway with longer exposure times with shorter lenses.
others (Me included) prefer to have a faster lens even at hte wider area or have VR at that side of the zoom. that's where the 18-200 VR comes in. it might sound a bit expensive at around 700 usd if yo umanage to find it but still it's a multiple solution:
wide lens for scenery or use for indoo shots. acceptable zoom for wildlife (maybe not birds) fast focus. convenient for frequesnt travelers as I traveled on many instances with just this lens. then a set of extension tubes or cheaper yet a set of closeup filters allows me decent macros with autofocus and metering still possible. also this lens allows yo uto manage any scene without need for changing lenses which is combersome and leeds to missed shots sometimes as well as more risk of introducing dust to your sensor. and above all VR II which allows you to shoot at 4 times slower shutter speeds.
Some others would prefer an 18-70 that they buy with the camera for a cheap price and then couple it now with the 70-300 VR which is much sharper (Never used it but that's what it's reviews show) than the G or ED type and still sharper and cheaper than the 18-200 in addition to offering a longer reach.
Adition of a Kenko 1.4 Teleconverter on this lens is possible which gives you a 420 mm lens (at f 8 so good loight is necessary which is usualyy no big problem for wildlife) this provides a longer reach handholdable solution that gives accepable results at a fraction of the price of the high zooms.
Basically you have lots of options to consider and believe me chosing the body is much easier than the lenses, you will have to consider your shooting style and your budget and act from there.
The cheapest solution with good value for now would be to get a good deal on a used D50 or 70s with it's kit lens and use it for a while before buying a (faster lens for portraits, a longer zoom for wildlife, a faster lens for low light, a macro lens.... according to what yo usee you're missing most)
One more expensive solution that would allow you to go for more time without getting anything would be the body + 18-200 VR.
Keep us informed on what you chose
Zephrant
Premium Member
I had a forced upgrade to the D80- My D70 died a week before Christmas and I could not stand to be without a DSLR for my baby's first Christmas.
I did not want the D80, but could not stand to buy a second D70, and did not want to move to the D200. But now that I have it, I do like the auto-focus better than the D70. It's just better at tracking moving objects and staying in focus for fast shots. The remote plug on it is nice, and a few other minor features. It's just a tune-up to the D70 really, but not quite worth the extra price they charge for it over the D70.
Zeph
I did not want the D80, but could not stand to buy a second D70, and did not want to move to the D200. But now that I have it, I do like the auto-focus better than the D70. It's just better at tracking moving objects and staying in focus for fast shots. The remote plug on it is nice, and a few other minor features. It's just a tune-up to the D70 really, but not quite worth the extra price they charge for it over the D70.
Zeph
edwing206
New member
ok thank you very much for all that help maron.c, i will most likey be getting the d50 with the kit lense for now then as i save money i will bet better lenses. i will keep you updated when i get the new camera. and thanks again for our help.
zeph- how do you like the new cam?
zeph- how do you like the new cam?
edwing206
New member
sorry forgot the link
http://www.shopping.com/xPO-Sigma-Z...gma-SA-Black~r-1~CLT-INTR~RFR-reefcentral.com
and i found a nikon refurbed for 419 but it is body only. do you know where to get a nikon d50 kit lense for a good price? thanks
http://www.sigma4less.com/sess/utn;...era+Body+-+Factory+Reconditioned+=28NID50R=29
http://www.shopping.com/xPO-Sigma-Z...gma-SA-Black~r-1~CLT-INTR~RFR-reefcentral.com
and i found a nikon refurbed for 419 but it is body only. do you know where to get a nikon d50 kit lense for a good price? thanks
http://www.sigma4less.com/sess/utn;...era+Body+-+Factory+Reconditioned+=28NID50R=29
Rosseau
New member
I didn't read this whole thread but saw earlier mention of a few sketchy camera websites. Beware, some are total scams. If the price seems to go to be true it probably is.
An example if you will...
www.expresscameras.com
Woah new Canon Xti's for $399.00!! D50, $500, $300! Sweet i'm going to get that.. oh what's this?....
http://www.resellerratings.com/store/Express_Cameras
Sorry for the dramatics. But there are some dirtbags out there, eBay included. Just do your research.
An example if you will...
www.expresscameras.com
Woah new Canon Xti's for $399.00!! D50, $500, $300! Sweet i'm going to get that.. oh what's this?....
http://www.resellerratings.com/store/Express_Cameras
Sorry for the dramatics. But there are some dirtbags out there, eBay included. Just do your research.
Rosseau
New member
http://www.fredmiranda.com/
This is one of the more useful peer review sites I have been on in my few weeks of research.
Reviews of lots of lenses and sample images for most of them.
http://www.pbase.com/cameras
This one is also very good. Lots of samples, tests and peer reviews.
This is one of the more useful peer review sites I have been on in my few weeks of research.
Reviews of lots of lenses and sample images for most of them.
http://www.pbase.com/cameras
This one is also very good. Lots of samples, tests and peer reviews.
