El Camaron
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could the be used while using purple up?
No Water Changes!
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Just because you have seen no ill effects yet on your tank. Doesnt mean its the
correct way to maintain your tank. The book you read is right in the fact that it is
small eco system..BUT....in the real Ocean the reef gets a 100% water change
every single day..
I do think that book is 100% wrong in giving No Water change advice.
I only trust advice from people like Robert Fenner, who I considered an expert level
Aquarist and schooled in Marine Biology.
This is from his website...
Probably the most important aspect of maintenance a keeper of an aquatic
system can do to optimize water quality and health of their charges is to change
some of the water is a regular basis. This Section deals with the reasons for, and
some rules of thumb as to how often, how much and how to make these changes.
Rationale:
There are several major benefits of frequent partial water changes: Dilution of
nutrient, removal of particulate matter, reduction in microbial populations and
their metabolites. Results anticipated are faster, more vigorous growth, reduced
algae growth, color and odor.
It has been written in many fisheries, limnological and hobbyist texts that along
with temperature and photoperiod, metabolite ("wastes") build-up is one of the
three most important factors influencing the health, growth and reproduction of
livestock.
More specifically; in the trade, ammonia and other nitrogenous wastes are
recognized as the number one killer of aquatic life in captive conditions. Not to say
that all the "stuff" produced by the system's desiraable life is toxic. Some
metabolites, like pheromones, are actually known to have calming effects.
Therefore the concept of partial, not total water changes.
In doing these water changes we are interested in a dilution-solution; that is,
keeping these so-called waste products at tolerable levels.
There are several ways this is otherwise accomplished. Most common are some
forms of biological filtration and chemical filtration like carbon and ion-exchange
materials. The last are useful but often labor and money intensive. Moreover,
these chemical filtrants do remove desirable chemicals as well.
As stated in so many previous Sections it is imperative vital that as much
extraneous materials: foods, dirt from decor, material from the immediate outside
environment be kept from getting in the system. What little does make its way in
should be removed by netting/vacuuming, diluted or removed by making partial
water changes.
Some potential pollution will probably be added to your system in the way of food
and chemical additives/fertilizer. Even without over- or mis- feeding and/or
fertilizing, freshwater evaporation adds to a decided negative chemical effect on an
aquatic system. This "Salton Sea Syndrome" occurs as water evaporates leaving
behind its' chemical constituents.
correct way to maintain your tank. The book you read is right in the fact that it is
small eco system..BUT....in the real Ocean the reef gets a 100% water change
every single day..
I do think that book is 100% wrong in giving No Water change advice.
I only trust advice from people like Robert Fenner, who I considered an expert level
Aquarist and schooled in Marine Biology.
This is from his website...
Probably the most important aspect of maintenance a keeper of an aquatic
system can do to optimize water quality and health of their charges is to change
some of the water is a regular basis. This Section deals with the reasons for, and
some rules of thumb as to how often, how much and how to make these changes.
Rationale:
There are several major benefits of frequent partial water changes: Dilution of
nutrient, removal of particulate matter, reduction in microbial populations and
their metabolites. Results anticipated are faster, more vigorous growth, reduced
algae growth, color and odor.
It has been written in many fisheries, limnological and hobbyist texts that along
with temperature and photoperiod, metabolite ("wastes") build-up is one of the
three most important factors influencing the health, growth and reproduction of
livestock.
More specifically; in the trade, ammonia and other nitrogenous wastes are
recognized as the number one killer of aquatic life in captive conditions. Not to say
that all the "stuff" produced by the system's desiraable life is toxic. Some
metabolites, like pheromones, are actually known to have calming effects.
Therefore the concept of partial, not total water changes.
In doing these water changes we are interested in a dilution-solution; that is,
keeping these so-called waste products at tolerable levels.
There are several ways this is otherwise accomplished. Most common are some
forms of biological filtration and chemical filtration like carbon and ion-exchange
materials. The last are useful but often labor and money intensive. Moreover,
these chemical filtrants do remove desirable chemicals as well.
As stated in so many previous Sections it is imperative vital that as much
extraneous materials: foods, dirt from decor, material from the immediate outside
environment be kept from getting in the system. What little does make its way in
should be removed by netting/vacuuming, diluted or removed by making partial
water changes.
Some potential pollution will probably be added to your system in the way of food
and chemical additives/fertilizer. Even without over- or mis- feeding and/or
fertilizing, freshwater evaporation adds to a decided negative chemical effect on an
aquatic system. This "Salton Sea Syndrome" occurs as water evaporates leaving
behind its' chemical constituents.
Illuminati
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Stevie Wonder could have seen this flame fest coming
beetlenut33
Reef Engineer
You know you can email a mod and they are usually willing to change your user name for you? They will do it if it is a first time request. Not sure if you knew this.
Any who, this tank is looking great. Keep up the good work and keep the information coming!!!
Bluemorningwind
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Do corals get these elements from the water column or the food chain?
If corals are like the bulk of life on Earth, then these elements would be provided via the food chain, wouldn't they?
If corals are like the bulk of life on Earth, then these elements would be provided via the food chain, wouldn't they?
Bluemorningwind
In Memoriam
I thought the colour was due to zooxanthellae. How does lack of calcium lead to bleaching?
It is not a direct correlation. But lack of calcium and other elements usually leads to unbalanced alkalinity and unstable pH, which does affect corals growth and can cause bleaching in SPS. Certain corals can thrive in a wide environment and water quality, but others cannot. A mushroom, you can throw into any water condition, and they will survive, but if you want to keep the exotic SPS...forget it.
Bluemorningwind
In Memoriam
So, corals use calcium from the water column. What other elements do they get from the water column?
TheSaltwaterGuy
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12429498#post12429498 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Illuminati
Stevie Wonder could have seen this flame fest coming
That's the truth.
rhunter513
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As for trace elements....
Bogart80 uses B-ionic right?
"B-Ionic Calcium Buffer is the original, unique, easy to use, two-component liquid supplement system. When using equal volumes of each component, the aquarist can easily maintain calcium and alkalinity levels with no mixing powders, disruption of ionic balance, or addition of organic chemicals. In addition to supplying highly concentrated calcium and carbonate alkalinity required for calcification, B-Ionic Calcium Buffer System also provides all other important major, minor, and trace elements in the proper ratios to duplicate the composition of synthetic seawater. As a result, B-Ionic Calcium Buffer System will help restore inorganic ions lost from protein skimming and help maintain the ionic balance of the aquarium water."
http://www.esvco.com/prod6.html
Bogart80 uses B-ionic right?
"B-Ionic Calcium Buffer is the original, unique, easy to use, two-component liquid supplement system. When using equal volumes of each component, the aquarist can easily maintain calcium and alkalinity levels with no mixing powders, disruption of ionic balance, or addition of organic chemicals. In addition to supplying highly concentrated calcium and carbonate alkalinity required for calcification, B-Ionic Calcium Buffer System also provides all other important major, minor, and trace elements in the proper ratios to duplicate the composition of synthetic seawater. As a result, B-Ionic Calcium Buffer System will help restore inorganic ions lost from protein skimming and help maintain the ionic balance of the aquarium water."
http://www.esvco.com/prod6.html
Bogart, the tank looks good, no algae on the sand bed nor rocks. FWIW i change 10g bi-weekly in my 75g with 20g sump/fuge, but thats just me. I read you feed a partial cube of mysis every 4 days? I would hate to be a living creature in your tank, simply due to a lack of food! This low-nutrients in approach I take as being the reason for your "success" with your nano tank. You say youre a Noob, yet you have already gone through a seahorse setup(NOT for a rookie to the hobby). I dont wanna say keep up the good work, while at the same time I find it interesting you dont do water changes. I am curious what your nirates and PO4 levels are. I am not by any means bashing you, I just find it interestingly bizarre you have maintained a system for a year w/o a single water change. Was this something you said to yourself in the beginning "I will never to a water change" or did you just never see the need for one and have never gotten around to one?
To each his own, like I said I change 20g a week religiously in my tank, but no need to harass this guys for doing it his way and letting you know it can be done. As mentioned he may not be seeing the potential growth possible, but it sounds like he enjoys looking at what he has as opposed to opting for something better and taking a little(i stress little, you have a nano, how much time could a 10-25% wc require?) time to do it differently.
To each his own, like I said I change 20g a week religiously in my tank, but no need to harass this guys for doing it his way and letting you know it can be done. As mentioned he may not be seeing the potential growth possible, but it sounds like he enjoys looking at what he has as opposed to opting for something better and taking a little(i stress little, you have a nano, how much time could a 10-25% wc require?) time to do it differently.
You should read the reefkeeping magazine on this site, and also the AA magazine from reefs . org. They have a lot of various articles that you might find educational and informative. The truth is that many elements is being used by corals are not totally understood, that is why there is much research into this pathway.
Notes on my experience or as some of you feel, my lack there of:
I had a 90g SW F/O tank and always wanted to get into corals but I first wanted a Seahorse. So I read some books and went out to get my seahorse. The current in my 90g was too intense so I got the 16g tank you see now in the photos. I made a small feeding tube it was two end caps of PVC with one end able to unscrew, for the body of the tube I used a fine mesh. I attached a piece of string to one end of the tube so I could lower and raise it from the tank. When it came to feeding my Seahorse would attach himself with his tail to the string and WAIT. As one of the shrimp was able to get through the mesh he would slurp them up. This went on for 3 years. I really did love that little guy.
The seahorse died after 3 years and didn’t feel like getting a new one as I truly had grown attached to him. So I thought I souls try my hand out with corals.
When I was setting up the tank letting it go through its cure cycle I had always indented on doing W/C’s. With that being said I was testing my water parameters biweekly, as time went on with my corals because they were doing good, all be it maybe not as much growth as could be I did not want to mess anything up, and now a year later I still don’t want to mess anything up. I am not saying if I ran out and did water change tonight that all my corals would die. But as I am a noob to corals I am very reluctant to change what is working.
I had a 90g SW F/O tank and always wanted to get into corals but I first wanted a Seahorse. So I read some books and went out to get my seahorse. The current in my 90g was too intense so I got the 16g tank you see now in the photos. I made a small feeding tube it was two end caps of PVC with one end able to unscrew, for the body of the tube I used a fine mesh. I attached a piece of string to one end of the tube so I could lower and raise it from the tank. When it came to feeding my Seahorse would attach himself with his tail to the string and WAIT. As one of the shrimp was able to get through the mesh he would slurp them up. This went on for 3 years. I really did love that little guy.
The seahorse died after 3 years and didn’t feel like getting a new one as I truly had grown attached to him. So I thought I souls try my hand out with corals.
When I was setting up the tank letting it go through its cure cycle I had always indented on doing W/C’s. With that being said I was testing my water parameters biweekly, as time went on with my corals because they were doing good, all be it maybe not as much growth as could be I did not want to mess anything up, and now a year later I still don’t want to mess anything up. I am not saying if I ran out and did water change tonight that all my corals would die. But as I am a noob to corals I am very reluctant to change what is working.
El Camaron
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i've only been here a few months but i have heard the phrase "If it aint broke dont fix it" quite a few times.
Guess its working for you man.
Guess its working for you man.
Reef Aquatics
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Sorry gsxunv04....not doing water changes is wrong...and to tell someone that
hes not doing anything wrong when he clearly is... well that sounds like a noob
talking..
Like I originally said...Just because you haven't seen any ill effects yet doesn't
mean that not doing water changes is good reef keeping...esp with corals.
Sounds to me like a few people need to pay a visit to webwetmedia.com and do
some reading. Robert Fenner who runs this site is a marine biologist and foremost
expert in the field of Reef Keeping. Dont listen to me..listen to him.
hes not doing anything wrong when he clearly is... well that sounds like a noob
talking..
Like I originally said...Just because you haven't seen any ill effects yet doesn't
mean that not doing water changes is good reef keeping...esp with corals.
Sounds to me like a few people need to pay a visit to webwetmedia.com and do
some reading. Robert Fenner who runs this site is a marine biologist and foremost
expert in the field of Reef Keeping. Dont listen to me..listen to him.
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