non indo acans and micros!
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Bcollins111900
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Just checked out jendub.com. There's some nice morphs there for sure, but some of those pics look like they're taken under black lights (20K I know). I think they're a bit misleading to the average hobbyist about what kind of colors you'd see under more natural lighting. That's what got Blane Perun his bad rep. I know when I started out, I bought a lot of corals based on 20K pics and was very disappointed with the actual frags without blue-shifted lighting a photoshop. Caveat emptor... JMHO.
No argument that 20K Halides make corals color look better. That is why you get nice color morphs so that the color looks nice right? Anyway I received my "Pink Sparkle" frag from Jendub.com (Look through the Hall of Fame section) yesterday. I have a 150W MH and run a 14K Phoenix. Guess what color the frag is in my tank? Pink!!!!!!! It is very nice. I have some "regular" Lords that have red in them close by and the one from Jendub is definately Pink.
ReefDoctorMicromussas
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You just got more RARE (<----I hate that word anymore) micros than you know what to do with LOL... how are they looking?
thanx DOC my new gems are sparkling .fluffy and eager to eat.will have to post pix in the near future.colors are amazing and I love how the pieces look identical if not better than the pix.That is what I like to feel after a purchase.it is sad feeling when you recieve a expensive frag and it turns out nothing like the pix even if you are running 20k
Bcollins111900
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Blacklights do not penetrate water like you think. I do believe she runs 20K halides but her stuff is top of the line.
JenDub
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Just wanted to take a second to clear this comment up.
We do use several different types of lighting to properly reproduce our coral's natural habitat. These include 20k (175w), t5 and radium 250w.
The implication that these lighting schemes are "unnatural" is very uneducated and quite uncalled for. Anyone who has been snorkeling or diving in the tropics knows that sunlight looks like a radium at 15-20 feet and proceeds to get even bluer the deeper you dive. At the depth these corals naturally occur the light is extremely filtered and much bluer than any of our tanks.
If the average user receives fragments from this depth and proceeds to place them in a 10k or strong 14k (400w for example) lit tank, the frags will be forced to adapt to the unnatural conditions the hobbist has placed them into (which often leads to color shifts).
Is this the fault of the seller, the coral or the uneducated hobbist?
Please take the time to ask questions and read up before purchasing animals so you can provide them with the proper care =)
Also, we don't use photoshop of any kind. This practice is abused by many sellers in the hobby and we made it a point when we started to never use the software. This is well know by hobbists, our friends and other vendors; it is one of the main reasons our customers are mainly repeat customers.
Please keep the mud slinging and low blows off of public forums, it's just unfortunate that someone would start making accusations when they have never purchased from us in the first place. If you have any questions please email us directly so we have an opportunity to clear them up before it resorts to this type of stuff.
That's my 2cents on the matter, I hope it has added a bit to everyone's understanding of these animals =)
racerw
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I ,myself, would also suggest JenDub.com corals.
The colors shown on her site are exactly as delivered. I have bought a few micros from another dealer (will not buy from again) and the colors were not even close. I have 14ks & 20ks MH, when I receive a frag from JenDub no matter what tank I put them in they look like her website photos. I have bought just about every micro JenDub offers, will continue to buy from her & couldn't be happier with the coral she has sold.
Jen I see you now have the pink lemonade, I will be in touch.
Stacie
The colors shown on her site are exactly as delivered. I have bought a few micros from another dealer (will not buy from again) and the colors were not even close. I have 14ks & 20ks MH, when I receive a frag from JenDub no matter what tank I put them in they look like her website photos. I have bought just about every micro JenDub offers, will continue to buy from her & couldn't be happier with the coral she has sold.
Jen I see you now have the pink lemonade, I will be in touch.
Stacie
JenDub-
I did not mean to offend you or impugn your business integrity. I said they were nice morphs. But to call me uneducated, a mudslinger, and delivering low blows is similarly uncalled for and WRONG. I am educated by my experiences in the hobby which, I'm fairly sure, is what we're suppose to share here. I think is the precisely in a public forum where people need to know how lighting can effect the look of different colors. I'm sorry if you feel it was directed at your business. The bottom line of my comment is that if people with different lighting schemes see these pics, they might be surprised if they look different under different K lights, "natural" or not. That's why during the Blane Perun era there was such a cry for 10K pics to accompany any 20K pics. For example, your pic shows blue mushrooms that look like this:
But under my PC (10K+50/50) lights blue striped shrooms look like this:
Is that the informed hobbyist's fault, the coral's fault, or the vendor who take pics under lights to put forth images that look the best for sales fault? No, it's the lighting's fault. And people might like to know before buying. As I said, caveat emptor...
I apologize for the photoshop comment, if you don't use it, but the pics at least looked cropped, so I made the wrong assumption about color manipulation/correction. AGAIN, I am not targeting you as a business, but simply to say that hobbyist should be away of how much lighting can effect color appearance in the aquarium.
I did not mean to offend you or impugn your business integrity. I said they were nice morphs. But to call me uneducated, a mudslinger, and delivering low blows is similarly uncalled for and WRONG. I am educated by my experiences in the hobby which, I'm fairly sure, is what we're suppose to share here. I think is the precisely in a public forum where people need to know how lighting can effect the look of different colors. I'm sorry if you feel it was directed at your business. The bottom line of my comment is that if people with different lighting schemes see these pics, they might be surprised if they look different under different K lights, "natural" or not. That's why during the Blane Perun era there was such a cry for 10K pics to accompany any 20K pics. For example, your pic shows blue mushrooms that look like this:
But under my PC (10K+50/50) lights blue striped shrooms look like this:
Is that the informed hobbyist's fault, the coral's fault, or the vendor who take pics under lights to put forth images that look the best for sales fault? No, it's the lighting's fault. And people might like to know before buying. As I said, caveat emptor...
I apologize for the photoshop comment, if you don't use it, but the pics at least looked cropped, so I made the wrong assumption about color manipulation/correction. AGAIN, I am not targeting you as a business, but simply to say that hobbyist should be away of how much lighting can effect color appearance in the aquarium.
JenDub
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If you want to discuss this in private feel free to email me.
Is it fair to assume both of those blue mushies are the same coral?
Not really-that mushie is a weird giant morph that gets up to 3" plus; it's more of a teal shroom than a blue striped (have the blue striped also).
Also please note that it is not for sale and never was-the pics are simply there for everyone's enjoyment (Hall of Fame).
I'm not saying buyers shouldn't be suspicious, I'm just saying don't throw around insinuations about me or my business when you are really just making assumptions (I believe they call this type of stuff "liable" in every other industry).
As stated above, if you are really interested in how I get my shots and how I get my corals to look so nice; email me and I'll send you some tips/reading material. If you're just after a fun arguement please find someone else to squabble with =)
Is it fair to assume both of those blue mushies are the same coral?
Not really-that mushie is a weird giant morph that gets up to 3" plus; it's more of a teal shroom than a blue striped (have the blue striped also).
Also please note that it is not for sale and never was-the pics are simply there for everyone's enjoyment (Hall of Fame).
I'm not saying buyers shouldn't be suspicious, I'm just saying don't throw around insinuations about me or my business when you are really just making assumptions (I believe they call this type of stuff "liable" in every other industry).
As stated above, if you are really interested in how I get my shots and how I get my corals to look so nice; email me and I'll send you some tips/reading material. If you're just after a fun arguement please find someone else to squabble with =)
I will say it again as I did in my post above. The Pink Lord that I received from Jendub this past week was every bit as Pink under my lights as in the picture on their site. They have a very good reputation here and that is why I bought from them. I look forward to my next purchase here sometime in the near future again from Jendub.
Darren
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Underwaterparadise
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jens corals are top notch!!!!
Snprhed
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I think Apex does bring up a valid point, I didn't purchase my micro's from Jendub for that reason. I don't run as much actinic in my tank as it apears they do. (I haven't personally seen them either). However the person I did buy them from had pictures that looked like 11-14K, fairly nuetral. Maybe he should have said it better, maybe he should have made the conversation more about knowing your sellers lights and your lights and that they can look very different. Either way I think its a valid conversation and not a hit on Jendubs quality.
bobafett
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I dont think anyone is pointing fingers at anyone. Lighting is very important to the way the coral will look in ones tank. There are many new reefers out there that buy corals on line and get dissappointed when they put them in the tank because they (like most new reefers) don't have the same type lighting. I know because I was one of them. I spent so much money setting the tank up that I went with the less expensive PC lighting. I have since upgraded to 250W MH with 20k and 14k radiums and my corals now look amazing. I can buy online with confidence on most sites and know that my corals will look just as good in my tank as they do in the venders web site. I could't say that three years ago. I assumed the vendors used photo trics. As far as jendubs corals go I can't comment because I haven't purchased from her yet but if I'm ever in the market for something rare I feel confident in purchasing from her because of the great advice she has given to us here on RC and the great reviews she has received from people who have purchased from her in the past. After all this is what these forums are all about....educating ourselves to become better reefers.
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