Now you have done it. (Lobster Continuation)

[GreshamH]

Re: Now you have done it. (Lobster Continuation)

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9237788#post9237788 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by funman1
Well it's sort of a continuation of the lobster thread a few weeks ago.

http://www.secretlifeoflobsters.com/blog/2006/06/how-to-kill-lobster-redux.asp

Is this humane?

How is it any different how commercial operations handle any livestock for consumption?

Crabs, Fish, clams, squid, cattle, trees, etc. Yes, trees and plants remember those studies that show they feel pain? Don't go stepping on grass, or worse, cut it in half with a dull blade.

How about killing animals with chemicals? You wouldn't spray RAID on a group of humans, but you wouldn't give it a second thought to shoot it at ants, roaches, etc.

How about how Alligators kill their prey? Yah, drowning your victem and letting it decompose prior to eating sure is humane.

How about how whales kill so much krill? They consume them ALIVE and let the acids in their stomach do the work.

How about bacteria? I see commercials every day about killing billions of bacteria cells. MASS slaugher on the highest degree.

I eat fish, shellfish, meat, veggies and I have killed billions of ants, bacteria and blades of grass. Am I an inhumane murderer?

 

[Bdimas]

Re: Re: Now you have done it. (Lobster Continuation)

Re: Re: Now you have done it. (Lobster Continuation)

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9243168#post9243168 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by GreshamH
How is it any different how commercial operations handle any livestock for consumption?

Crabs, Fish, clams, squid, cattle, trees, etc. Yes, trees and plants remember those studies that show they feel pain? Don't go stepping on grass, or worse, cut it in half with a dull blade.

How about killing animals with chemicals? You wouldn't spray RAID on a group of humans, but you wouldn't give it a second thought to shoot it at ants, roaches, etc.

How about how Alligators kill their prey? Yah, drowning your victem and letting it decompose prior to eating sure is humane.

How about how whales kill so much krill? They consume them ALIVE and let the acids in their stomach do the work.

How about bacteria? I see commercials every day about killing billions of bacteria cells. MASS slaugher on the highest degree.

I eat fish, shellfish, meat, veggies and I have killed billions of ants, bacteria and blades of grass. Am I an inhumane murderer?

LMAO!

 

[funman1]

I did this as kind of a joke, that well; exploded.
I totally agree with you Gresh.

Check this out though!!! This is pretty cool
http://www.marineeco.com/clawgame/index.htm

 

[GreshamH]

I was just having fun

These kind of debates are fun ones for me as there is no answer, just opinions.

 

[juaninsac]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9243663#post9243663 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by GreshamH
I was just having fun

These kind of debates are fun ones for me as there is no answer, just opinions.

IBTL.

 

[GreshamH]

While we're on this, wasn't Buddah against harming any life, yet he yanked leaves of a LIVING tree to eat?

 

[juaninsac]

Debatable whether that harms it. <shrug>

FWIW, I like to boil my crustaceans alive.

 

[GreshamH]

It's all debatable. One scientist puts out a study saying fish feel pain, while another puts one out saying just the opposite. England lets PETA push them into no sportfishing off scientist #1 report, while tossing out #2. If #2 had a lobby group like PETA behind him, maybe sportfishing in England would still be legal?

Over the years many reports have been published stating plants have feelings as well. Just as many have been published stating the opposite. What's Buddahs stance on that? Where do you draw the line on what life can and can't be harmed by what? Remove enough leaves, the tree dies. Buddah was against any voilance, but some might feel that pulling a leaf off a tree caused pain, which IMO equal voilance against that tree

 

[juaninsac]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9243800#post9243800 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by GreshamH
It's all debatable. One scientist puts out a study saying fish feel pain, while another puts one out saying just the opposite. England lets PETA push them into no sportfishing off scientist #1 report, while tossing out #2. If #2 had a lobby group like PETA behind him, maybe sportfishing in England would still be legal?

Over the years many reports have been published stating plants have feelings as well. Just as many have been published stating the opposite. What's Buddahs stance on that? Where do you draw the line on what life can and can't be harmed by what? Remove enough leaves, the tree dies. Buddah was against any voilance, but some might feel that pulling a leaf off a tree caused pain, which IMO equal voilance against that tree

I dunno.

The silly thing is that sportfishing may have needed to be stopped there in England for other reasons. Fish feeling pain is an incredibly silly reason to stop it; wiping out fish pop'ns seems a much better reason. Some people get up in arms about how cows are treated when they're slaughtered. It doesn't really concern me. There's no shortage of cows on the planet. Meanwhile, bluefin tuna (among lots of other fish) are stripped from the ocean at devastating, unsustainable levels, and no one blinks an eye. "It's just a fish" they say. Fake vegetarians that think they're being more environmentally conscious by "only eating fish" will happily dine on farm raised salmon that causes enormous environmental damage to coastline habitats. There are better alternatives.

The problem is that a lot of people don't care to investigate those alternatives unless they care to protect the planet in the first place. I guess this is why Edwin's initial comment bugged me so much.

 

[Reefugee]

My wife always wants to eat "happy" animals such as free range chicken.

My theory: It's cruel to kill a "happy" animal. Why not eat those unhappy animals that don't want to live? ;-) Killed two birds (or chicken) with one stone.

 

[juaninsac]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9249257#post9249257 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Reefugee
My wife always wants to eat "happy" animals such as free range chicken.

My theory: It's cruel to kill a "happy" animal. Why not eat those unhappy animals that don't want to live? ;-) Killed two birds (or chicken) with one stone.

Minh, always the comedian.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[tacocat]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9249177#post9249177 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by juaninsac
Meanwhile, bluefin tuna (among lots of other fish) are stripped from the ocean at devastating, unsustainable levels, and no one blinks an eye.

That's not sportfishing. That's commercial fishing. Most sport fisherman practice catch & release these days. Most sport fisherman don't have the strength or equipment to muscle in a large bluefin.

Most of the commercial harvest of bluefin is done by Japan for sushi.

 

[juaninsac]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9249518#post9249518 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by tacocat
That's not sportfishing. That's commercial fishing. Most sport fisherman practice catch & release these days. Most sport fisherman don't have the strength or equipment to muscle in a large bluefin.

Most of the commercial harvest of bluefin is done by Japan for sushi.

You're absolutely right.

I didn't mean to imply that sportfishing was inherently bad. For instance, line caught salmon from certain areas (like AK) is sustainable and more environmentally sound than farm raised salmon.

When I said...
"The silly thing is that sportfishing need to be stopped for other reasons."

I really should have clarified...
"The silly thing is that sportfishing may have needed to be stopped there in England for other reasons."

 

[juaninsac]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9249518#post9249518 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by tacocat
...

How's your lineatus wrasse doing by the way?

 

[bkiba]

but you gotta admit this is pretty cool, a machine that shucks the lobster this well!

 

[GreshamH]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9249635#post9249635 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by juaninsac
You're absolutely right.

I didn't mean to imply that sportfishing was inherently bad. For instance, line caught salmon from certain areas (like AK) is sustainable and more environmentally sound than farm raised salmon.

When I said...
"The silly thing is that sportfishing need to be stopped for other reasons."

I really should have clarified...
"The silly thing is that sportfishing may have needed to be stopped there in England for other reasons."

What, there's a shortage of trout in England? Funny, they've been stocking them for years. PETA had NO issue what the fish populations in regards to this issue, and that issue is not a valid on in regards to freshwater sportfishing. The seas area very rough in Enland, not many people do marine sportfishing

 

[tacocat]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9250547#post9250547 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by GreshamH
What, there's a shortage of trout in England? Funny, they've been stocking them for years. PETA had NO issue what the fish populations in regards to this issue, and that issue is not a valid on in regards to freshwater sportfishing. The seas area very rough in Enland, not many people do marine sportfishing

Even a ferry around the UK is a risky proposition. Trout fishing is like golf in England. The only thing there is a shortage of is public fishable water out there. Many of the good streams in England are owned by private citizens and clubs.

Getting up in the morning is a pain, but I still have to do it.

Lineatus? Me? Nope, no fairy wrasses. I have a blue jaw trigger that is capable of FTL travel. It spooks certain fish out when he suddenly appears next to them, so no jumpy fish for me.

 

[Trickman2]

Well the one cool thing about the machine that pressurizes lobsters is that at least it is not wasteful. Cool technology.

 

[bkiba]

to quote a vet from my work

"Yes animals have rights, they have the right to be eaten in sauce"

 

[juaninsac]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9250707#post9250707 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by tacocat
Lineatus? Me? Nope, no fairy wrasses.

A laboutei then? I sold you either a lineatus or a laboutei like 3 years ago. I'm positive it was you.