Ocean free premium Cyclops in diet of mandarin fishies.

tiagoandrade

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I bought the new OF insta fresh premium Cyclops. I see is really little pods. Maybe it help to maintenance healthy mandarin fishes in tanks under 30g.

What do you think about it?

Tks
 
It'll do as a supplement to it's normal diet of pods, but not as a replacement. As Steve mentioned, the only time they aren't eating is when they are sleeping.

I could be proven wrong some day, but I can't grasp a 30g tank (without a very large refugium constantly supplying pods to the tank) housing enough pods to make a mandarin thrive not just survive, or slowly starve.

I feed mine all types of other foods, but still consider pods their main food source. Even with my large pod population, I still seed my tank with pods every month or every other month or so...

JMO... Hope it helps...
 
I have friends With larger tanks operating an refugium in sump. Their mandarins are skinny or die. But their never feeded With others type of food, in others words, only pods of the tank... Other friend, feed With oster, naupilli of fairy shrimp and Cyclops and his mandarin Fish are very healthy and "fat". I open this discussion to analysis differents methods to maintence this very beaty Fish.
Tks
 
Ocean free premium Cyclops in diet of mandarin fishies.

Cyclops and Rotifers will help, more often than not bloodworms may be your saviour as I often noticed my other fish not really interested in them therefore it all goes to the Mandarin.

I had a mating pair in a 66 g with no refugium for a long time but it had 150 pounds of mature live rock and supplemented the cr*p out of it. So much that the other fish were obese and I evidently had to deal with phosphates...
Also I had a friend who kept a little female picturatus in a 36 but again loaded with old live rock, so much it looked more like a refugium than display tank ....lol

You're likely to have better chances with a scooter or a spotted than a splendid, they fair a lot better in smaller aquariums for some reason... In the end They probably take to a variety of foods more easily.
 
30G is really small. I would not try a Mandarin in there. Getting them to eat other foods is great, but there are better choices than bloodworms. They are mosquito larvae and are less than 10% protein and very low in fat. Live worms are your best choice to supplement their diet.
 
Mandarins are problematic for a lot of people because we don't pay enough attention to the natural diets of fish. When stocking a Mandarin you must assume that he will only eat zooplankton in your tank. If you've got a very large well-established ecosystem with many large fishes, then the mandarin has no competition for the copious amounts of zooplankton he gets.

When you add the mandarin to a 20-30 gallon and try to make up for it's lost natural food, there are quite a few problems that can occur. The first is that they don't take anything prepared, including cyclops, which is most common. The aquarist then decides to put in a bottle of zooplankton to boost the population, or maybe buys a bottle and feeds it regularly to the tank. If your tank is 20-30 gallons, pretty much every single fish appropriate-size for the tank eats almost entirely zooplankton in the wild. Dumping in this product just acts as a buffet for all your fish, with the slow mandarin getting the leftovers, and the zooplankton never reproduce in your tank.

The fact is that the zooplankton actually require feeding to breed and survive in the aquarium is another common reason for failure. Some tanks can get away without feeding phytoplankton to their copepods. Many modern tanks are using filtration that removes the greenwater from the water column, and it is essential that these are turned off during feedings.

As I breed my own zooplankton and have large quantities, I am able to keep mandarins in tanks of any size, with as many other pod-eating fish as I'd like. My 20 gallon, 10 gallon and 6 gallon all have/had Mandarins in them, two of them are going on 6-8 months, the other is over a year old.

I set the tanks up as an active culture, understand that all the fish will eat the pods, and feed the tank nothing but phytoplankton. It is almost totally self-sustaining in regards to feeding, and could be totally self-sustaining if I sat it next to a window and fed live phytoplankton that would multiply.
 
The fact is that the zooplankton actually require feeding to breed and survive in the aquarium is another common reason for failure. Some tanks can get away without feeding phytoplankton to their copepods.

Sorry for the dumb question, but what do you feed Zooplankton in order to get them to breed and survive?
 
Mandarins have a diverse diet in the wild and feed on snails and worms along with crustaceans. For a complete and balanced diet, they should be supplemented with other foods.
 
Cyclops and Rotifers will help, more often than not bloodworms may be your saviour as I often noticed my other fish not really interested in them therefore it all goes to the Mandarin.

I had a mating pair in a 66 g with no refugium for a long time but it had 150 pounds of mature live rock and supplemented the cr*p out of it. So much that the other fish were obese and I evidently had to deal with phosphates...
Also I had a friend who kept a little female picturatus in a 36 but again loaded with old live rock, so much it looked more like a refugium than display tank ....lol

You're likely to have better chances with a scooter or a spotted than a splendid, they fair a lot better in smaller aquariums for some reason... In the end They probably take to a variety of foods more easily.
I want to try an s. picturatus, i have live rock (Old live rock), but i'll do it when my tank be 2 years old.

Thanks for help
 
Mandarins are problematic for a lot of people because we don't pay enough attention to the natural diets of fish. When stocking a Mandarin you must assume that he will only eat zooplankton in your tank. If you've got a very large well-established ecosystem with many large fishes, then the mandarin has no competition for the copious amounts of zooplankton he gets.

When you add the mandarin to a 20-30 gallon and try to make up for it's lost natural food, there are quite a few problems that can occur. The first is that they don't take anything prepared, including cyclops, which is most common. The aquarist then decides to put in a bottle of zooplankton to boost the population, or maybe buys a bottle and feeds it regularly to the tank. If your tank is 20-30 gallons, pretty much every single fish appropriate-size for the tank eats almost entirely zooplankton in the wild. Dumping in this product just acts as a buffet for all your fish, with the slow mandarin getting the leftovers, and the zooplankton never reproduce in your tank.

The fact is that the zooplankton actually require feeding to breed and survive in the aquarium is another common reason for failure. Some tanks can get away without feeding phytoplankton to their copepods. Many modern tanks are using filtration that removes the greenwater from the water column, and it is essential that these are turned off during feedings.

As I breed my own zooplankton and have large quantities, I am able to keep mandarins in tanks of any size, with as many other pod-eating fish as I'd like. My 20 gallon, 10 gallon and 6 gallon all have/had Mandarins in them, two of them are going on 6-8 months, the other is over a year old.

I set the tanks up as an active culture, understand that all the fish will eat the pods, and feed the tank nothing but phytoplankton. It is almost totally self-sustaining in regards to feeding, and could be totally self-sustaining if I sat it next to a window and fed live phytoplankton that would multiply.
Im work on this now. Create culture of zooplâncton, phytoplan and pods for a natural diet for my "future" mandarin Fish, the Cyclops are supplement not basic diet.


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