OK! Enough chat...Starting a 1000g+ Reef

[melev]

I think drilling out those areas and installing bulkheads just to seal them is an excellent solution. I would be afraid to leave it as is, and I wasn't sure if gluing a patch would work. Since James says no, I'd definitely heed his advice both because he's the expert and he built your tank.

Regarding how you measure the pump's heat, all I can say is that those infrared measuring devices are not nearly as accurate as one might hope. When I visited Chuck's home, he had one to measure tank temperature. When he compared the digital reading to his glass thermometer, it was 8 degrees colder that the glass one. Thank goodness - because I couldn't imagine his tank at 70F.

 

[tattooreef]

i hate to hijack someones thread but there are so many people i would consider experts on here i just had to ask , i recently purchased a large A. somoensis from reefermadness that died less than a week later and now a few of my other peices are acting the same way , and with all water parameters pristine and no visible "pests" i am asking advise from you guys

 

[sherm71tank]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11322605#post11322605 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by melev
I think drilling out those areas and installing bulkheads just to seal them is an excellent solution. I would be afraid to leave it as is, and I wasn't sure if gluing a patch would work. Since James says no, I'd definitely heed his advice both because he's the expert and he built your tank.

Regarding how you measure the pump's heat, all I can say is that those infrared measuring devices are not nearly as accurate as one might hope. When I visited Chuck's home, he had one to measure tank temperature. When he compared the digital reading to his glass thermometer, it was 8 degrees colder that the glass one. Thank goodness - because I couldn't imagine his tank at 70F.

Having to drill huge holes in my tank and installing bulkheads in it to keep it from exploding doesn't sound ideal to me!

 

[melev]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11322728#post11322728 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by sherm71tank
Having to drill huge holes in my tank and installing bulkheads in it to keep it from exploding doesn't sound ideal to me!

Having crazed areas spread over time is scarier. :eek2:

Maybe he could get Weatherson to create some clear acrylic plugs that screw in to double as portholes.

I'm sorry, I don't mean to make light of the situation. I know you are very upset and those cracks would concern me too.

 

[Hopeful Reefer]

Jonathan, if I were you I would be involving a lawyer post-haste...especially if you have documentation of the shipping back and fort, bait and switch issues...emails, so on and so forth...that would suck that a $10,000 system could be completely destroyed by a piece of crap set of pumps that total less than 1/2% of the total invested in to this system...

I would definitely put the irons to them...make them pay to replace all your stuff...including the cost it would take to pay someone to professionally remove the wall, switch out the tank, etc...you would think that by paying good money for something that is supposed to have a warranty that the company would actually live up to their end of the warranty...thanks for convincing me to stick with the Seios I have in my tank, because I was looking at buying a few of these...

Hope you can turn this potential tragedy in to something good...good luck...

 

[jnarowe]

Marc,

I am indeed afraid to leave it as it is, but the picture you see above would require a 3" bulkhead and a 4.5" hole. That's a pretty big eyesore in the middle of my tank wall.

To be honest, if Eco-Tech had continued to support me I am sure we could have come to some agreement, but at this point they are much more ineterested in disclaiming liability than working to remedy the situation. When a guy pays big bucks for a 1000g tank and endures endless issues with a product, he doesn't expect to be hung out to dry. I have been way beyond patient and have participatd at my fullest ability in helping Eco-Tech work the bugs out of these pumps. What I am getting now is a slap in the face.

No problem with the jokes either. I need some humor. Actually, I will contact Joseph and see what he says. He has an innate ability to think out-of-the-box, and I really need that right now.

Thanks for the post Jason. I really need the support. I have contacted an attorney and we are working out the details. Unfortunately, the cost of winning will equal the cost of replacing the tank, but pursuing it may be the best course for other pump users.

 

[jnarowe]

7 kids...I can barely handle one.

 

[kdblove_99]

I once considered getting one for my Acrylic tank. Thanks to this post i know i will never do that. So maybe something good can come of it.

I hope all works out and eco steps up!

 

[kdblove_99]

I once considered getting one for my Acrylic tank. Thanks to this post i know i will never do that. So maybe something good can come of it.

I hope all works out and eco steps up!

 

[BreadmanMike]

Wow! I'm sorry that happened. I was about to order these for my acrylic tank... No friggin way now.

Thanks for letting us know.

 

[jnarowe]

You guys have to know, I spent months and months trying to work this out and get pumps that I could use at full throttle. It just hasn't happened. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news. I was hoping to avoid it.

 

[Bebo77]

OMG.. just saw this.. i cant believe this happened... i would be SOOO mad if that happened to me...

 

[Micki]

Wow, I'm sorry. I didnt realize you were having problems with this. They need to help out!

 

[jnarowe]

remember the post of the kiddie pool? That was no joke.

 

[sherm71tank]

With the amount of time Jonathan has into these pumps, designing his entire system around them (being safe for 3/4" acrylic ) they should have been paying him! I can't believe he waited as long as he did but alas he is MUCH more patient than I would have been with them. I am SOOO glad my tank is glass.

 

[ycnibrc]

Hmmm Jonathan sorry about your mishap I don't want to recommend tunze cause you don't like them but the company stay behind their product much better than ecotech....

 

[jnarowe]

Anthony, well Tunze IMO are not made of the best materials, but you are correct in that the USA support is excellent. After speaking with my mentor and other extremely advanced reef-keepers, you may see Tunze on my system yet.

I am currently investingating built-in wave boxes for my next tank. These would be built into the tank somewhat like having false walls with powerheads inserted to provide waves. I am also looking into using a device like a yacht bow thruster.

We'll see what happens, but I am fairly certain it will mean a complete dismantling of my system and loss of livestock. That's what ticks me off the most.

 

[Bax]

Jonathan

After all you have done to support EcoTech! I just can not believe they are washing thier hands of this!

I was planning on buying two more, my tanks are glass, but even so, I just don't know that I can support them if they don't own up to this obvious problem.

... back to the drwing boards with CLs and Tunzes ... maybe a surge tank?

 

[jnarowe]

If you have the overhead, surge tanks are really quite useful. Have you seen the St. Jude's thread? I don' like Tunze because of the wire, heat, and looks, etc. but if I can eliminate the wire and the looks, and my tank would be getting heated with the Vortechs anyway, that may be the way to go for me.

I am planning on setting up a test scenario for a built-in wavebox and I will post about it here of course. Unfortunately, Sherman has this damn "let's do the math" deal rather than my approach of jump in and find a float, so it may take some time to get results on that. We are in our high season at the store too, so little time can be spent on the tank right now.

Sherman and I discussed CLs at length today, (while enjoying some Stoli Elit) but I don't feel that a failure with the Vortech should automatically turn me back to CL. I think there is more to be explored. I don't have the overhead for a surge tank, unless I put them on the second floor, and I am fairly certain my wife won't buy that.

 

[gkarshens]

Jonathan I was just kidding about the trade. This really sucks!