OK! Enough chat...Starting a 1000g+ Reef
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steveweast
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Most carbons will leach PO4 and all reactor media leaches PO4....you just have to find the one that leaches the least.....or run the effluent through some Rowa.
Jonathan...try to find a carbon in your area called "name-gon". It can be had wholesale fairly cheap (I think it is a NW thing). It comes in 2lb containers and used to be called "chem-gon" until there was some sort of legal naming issue....so the name was changed about a year ago to Name-gon. It is more like a hydrocarbon and is very reactive compared to marineland.....and is the only other carbon that I've found (besides marineland and TLF's hydrocarbon) that doesn't leach PO4. Of course over time, sources can change and thus change the PO4 leaching amounts too. Always test each new batch.
Jonathan...try to find a carbon in your area called "name-gon". It can be had wholesale fairly cheap (I think it is a NW thing). It comes in 2lb containers and used to be called "chem-gon" until there was some sort of legal naming issue....so the name was changed about a year ago to Name-gon. It is more like a hydrocarbon and is very reactive compared to marineland.....and is the only other carbon that I've found (besides marineland and TLF's hydrocarbon) that doesn't leach PO4. Of course over time, sources can change and thus change the PO4 leaching amounts too. Always test each new batch.
steveweast
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I just noticed that chem-gon is on that chart...hmmmm. I would have thought the color removal would have been higher from my experience. Anyway....I was paying around $12 per canister for a wholesale case (6 per case) when I was buying it.
jnarowe
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Thanks for chiming in Steve. I have never tried TLF's carbon just because of the price point and the volume I use. I have not seen name-gon, but I do seem to recollect that name change issue. Maybe ANW has it?
During your last visit here, what you said about the coral bones really rang true. I wasn't too worried about it since I built my reactor to flow through GFO, but the fact is, much of the PO4 can be soaked out (as you pointed out) and put less burden on the GFO. That method is working really well and in fact has eased my tank maintanance a bit.
Have you ever tried Calgon carbon or "super activated"?
I see Name-gon gets a lot of hits on Google so I will find that one and try it out.
During your last visit here, what you said about the coral bones really rang true. I wasn't too worried about it since I built my reactor to flow through GFO, but the fact is, much of the PO4 can be soaked out (as you pointed out) and put less burden on the GFO. That method is working really well and in fact has eased my tank maintanance a bit.
Have you ever tried Calgon carbon or "super activated"?
I see Name-gon gets a lot of hits on Google so I will find that one and try it out.
jnarowe
New member
Haven't done a stock list lately:
Display:
1 x foxface lo *
1 x purple tang *
1 x powder blue tang *
3 x hep (hippo) tangs *
1 x orange shoulder tang *
1 x yellow scopas tang
2 x yellow tangs *
1 x sailfin tang
1 x yellow eye kole tang *
1 x striped bristletooth tang *
1 x female maroon clown *
1 x male maroon clown *
1 x saddleback clown
6 x black mollies
1 x blue/green chromis *
1 x blue faced wrasse
1 x golden rhomboid wrasse *
1 x mysteri wrasse *
1 x CBB
2 x cleaner wrasses
1 x longnose hawkfish *
* original fish from tank startup 2 years ago.
QT/Rescue:
1 x cinnamon clown
1 x yellow tail damselfish
1 x pajama cardinalfish
1 x velvet damselfish
Display:
1 x foxface lo *
1 x purple tang *
1 x powder blue tang *
3 x hep (hippo) tangs *
1 x orange shoulder tang *
1 x yellow scopas tang
2 x yellow tangs *
1 x sailfin tang
1 x yellow eye kole tang *
1 x striped bristletooth tang *
1 x female maroon clown *
1 x male maroon clown *
1 x saddleback clown
6 x black mollies
1 x blue/green chromis *
1 x blue faced wrasse
1 x golden rhomboid wrasse *
1 x mysteri wrasse *
1 x CBB
2 x cleaner wrasses
1 x longnose hawkfish *
* original fish from tank startup 2 years ago.
QT/Rescue:
1 x cinnamon clown
1 x yellow tail damselfish
1 x pajama cardinalfish
1 x velvet damselfish
jnarowe
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conservatism is important in reef keeping IMO. If you want to keep healthy corals, you can't just load up on fish, especially fish that get large. I don't know if any of you have ever seen a full size vlamingi relieve itself, but does "milkshake" ring any bells? 
As far as the fish schooling, they all do in some manner during the day, but also break off to roam as well. Teh heps are very prone to hanging out together, as are the yellow tangs and purple tang.
The heps are most interesting because they actually play games, and encourage other fish to join in. Their most popular game is toss-the-bubble, in which one will gulp air from the surface, swim down and about, and release the air. Then the other tangs will try to suck the bubbles back in, and release as well.
This goes on for hours at a time and I have seen multiple other tangs as well as wrasses join in the fun. It's an odd sight to be sure, that the casual observer might not notice until I point it out, but then it is amazing to watch.
I am sure many of you have noticed fish riding the currents as well, and my fish really seem to do this as a sport.
As far as the fish schooling, they all do in some manner during the day, but also break off to roam as well. Teh heps are very prone to hanging out together, as are the yellow tangs and purple tang.
The heps are most interesting because they actually play games, and encourage other fish to join in. Their most popular game is toss-the-bubble, in which one will gulp air from the surface, swim down and about, and release the air. Then the other tangs will try to suck the bubbles back in, and release as well.
This goes on for hours at a time and I have seen multiple other tangs as well as wrasses join in the fun. It's an odd sight to be sure, that the casual observer might not notice until I point it out, but then it is amazing to watch.
I am sure many of you have noticed fish riding the currents as well, and my fish really seem to do this as a sport.
My hippo will pick up crabs, carry them around in the tank, and then drop them. It's easy to see them waving their legs around trying to figure out whats going on. :lol:
I see my Achilles riding the current all the time. Our snowflake eel actually wraps around a Koralia and sticks about 8" of his body out into the current and flaps in the current. It's funny as hell to watch.
I see my Achilles riding the current all the time. Our snowflake eel actually wraps around a Koralia and sticks about 8" of his body out into the current and flaps in the current. It's funny as hell to watch.
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michika
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12626919#post12626919 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by jnarowe
conservatism is important in reef keeping IMO. If you want to keep healthy corals, you can't just load up on fish, especially fish that get large. I don't know if any of you have ever seen a full size vlamingi relieve itself, but does "milkshake" ring any bells?
Can I ask you to comment on your views on a link between coral (SPS specifically) colour/growth/etc. and fish waste? Mostly I'm interesting in your thoughts on when people say that a tank's SPS looks pale and assume there is a link between fish waste and type of colouration.
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