Old Vinegar Causing Cyano?

[taricha]

Thanks for doing test and posting vid. (I can't see pics) The vid and description sure looks and sounds like dinos to me - with cyano too.
I guess I should stop recommending paper towel test, because it seems like more paper towels lately are blocking everything no matter what. Ideally it should block cyano and allow diatoms and dinos through, and if dinos - it re-clumps on the other side.

Variation, just pull some samples, and shake until really well mixed and let it sit, in a few minutes, dinos would reclump into blobs and strings.

I could be wrong, so If you don't have anything in the tank that's super sensitive, feel free to just treat it like normal uglies/cyano and deal with it that way. If it's dinos, you'll still have it well after normal "uglies" disappear.

 

[karimwassef]

Maybe we need a specific paper test - like "charmin ultra strong" or maybe coffee filters

 

[Horace]

Thanks for doing test and posting vid. (I can't see pics) The vid and description sure looks and sounds like dinos to me - with cyano too.
I guess I should stop recommending paper towel test, because it seems like more paper towels lately are blocking everything no matter what. Ideally it should block cyano and allow diatoms and dinos through, and if dinos - it re-clumps on the other side.

Variation, just pull some samples, and shake until really well mixed and let it sit, in a few minutes, dinos would reclump into blobs and strings.

I could be wrong, so If you don't have anything in the tank that's super sensitive, feel free to just treat it like normal uglies/cyano and deal with it that way. If it's dinos, you'll still have it well after normal "uglies" disappear.

Yeah I can try siphoning more off and see if it reclumps....you are right, that the paper towel did seem to filter everything out.....that water was quite clean, when the description said it should be a bit brown after. I will give it a shot after work.

 

[Horace]

Thanks for doing test and posting vid. (I can't see pics) The vid and description sure looks and sounds like dinos to me - with cyano too.
I guess I should stop recommending paper towel test, because it seems like more paper towels lately are blocking everything no matter what. Ideally it should block cyano and allow diatoms and dinos through, and if dinos - it re-clumps on the other side.

Variation, just pull some samples, and shake until really well mixed and let it sit, in a few minutes, dinos would reclump into blobs and strings.

I could be wrong, so If you don't have anything in the tank that's super sensitive, feel free to just treat it like normal uglies/cyano and deal with it that way. If it's dinos, you'll still have it well after normal "uglies" disappear.

From my reading, distinguishing between dinos and cyano is often nearly impossible unless you do so under a microscope. I will do the clump test again and hopefully i can put that to rest. Otherwise I will be going dark on the tank and just lighting my cheato (still dont have any yet) only for a while until my nitrate/phosphate are to the point that no algae/bacteria will live....

Thankfully I dont have any corals yet, so going dark isnt a big deal. The fish will get over it

 

[taricha]

Old Vinegar Causing Cyano?

Maybe we need a specific paper test - like "charmin ultra strong" or maybe coffee filters

I think coffee filter is promising, or bigger like filter pad, or media bag. Need to test it though. Honestly anything with filter size between 50 and 500 microns should let shaken dinos through, and stop cyano strands.

From my reading, distinguishing between dinos and cyano is often nearly impossible unless you do so under a microscope. I will do the clump test again and hopefully i can put that to rest. Otherwise I will be going dark on the tank and just lighting my cheato (still dont have any yet) only for a while until my nitrate/phosphate are to the point that no algae/bacteria will live....

Thankfully I dont have any corals yet, so going dark isnt a big deal. The fish will get over it

There are naked eye differences, but they are hard to describe in text to someone else, also we ought to just find the H2o2 concentration that makes cyano bubble, because dinos/diatoms don't. That'd be a simple test.

You can lights out if you want, in my experience it just kicks the can down the road.


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[Horace]

So I siphoned off more and shook the heck out of it. It mostly all settled to the bottom and seems to have clumped up again.....I did not filter it at all. It looked like if I had shook up a 1/4 sheet of toilet paper. Hundreds of tiny shreds

I'm not sure what other filter to try. Maybe a piece of my Rollermat floss?

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[karimwassef]

you need to filter it.

 

[Horace]

you need to filter it.

Aight...I will find something...maybe a cloth or something