Solitaryensis
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HAHA...an "update" to tell readers that they will update when they find out more information
OMG 40 clipperton angelfish, Holocanthus limbaughi,
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HAHA...an "update" to tell readers that they will update when they find out more information
DamnPepShrimp
Moved On
I feel bad for the fish, doesn't sound like they are being taken good care of. 
ReefRascals
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How did you come to the conclusion that the fish in question are not being cared for? I did not read anything relating to that.
DamnPepShrimp
Moved On
Did you read the link? It says 52 were caught, now down to 40, who knows how many now. I don't see them being taken care of that well while in "custody".
coralite
registered member
The original report stated 40 fish were seized but the actual number was 52. Who knows how many of those made the four day boat ride back to mexico, then the shipping from Mexico to San Francisco, then the acclimation to captivity. Any deaths of this fish so far would most likely be due to their journey from Clipperton Island to SFO as the fish are being cared for by professionals including veterinarian and pathologists.
ReefRascals
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DamnPepShrimp -
Lose the attitude.
Yes, I read the article. It originally states that there are 40 fish that were confiscated. The 'update' later stated that there were in actuality 52 fish seized.
Your interpretation is incorrect, and the conclusion that you draw regarding the care of these fish while in custody is ill-founded. Feel free though to clarify your position.
Lose the attitude.
Yes, I read the article. It originally states that there are 40 fish that were confiscated. The 'update' later stated that there were in actuality 52 fish seized.
Your interpretation is incorrect, and the conclusion that you draw regarding the care of these fish while in custody is ill-founded. Feel free though to clarify your position.
reefrascals - agreed
im sure the fish are in good hands of well educated people who will take good care of them, it sucks for them to be yanked out of their environment and put into non ideal circumstances but hopefully this will all work itself out quickly so they will be put into huge new homes, because a return to their home turf is not a foreseeable outcome
im sure the fish are in good hands of well educated people who will take good care of them, it sucks for them to be yanked out of their environment and put into non ideal circumstances but hopefully this will all work itself out quickly so they will be put into huge new homes, because a return to their home turf is not a foreseeable outcome
DamnPepShrimp
Moved On
Reefrascals,
What attitude? Don't take my post the wrong way, don't take everything too seriously, you might miss out in life. Please lets keep this thread on topic, it was already closed once.
I hope these fish are being taken cared for, its bad enough how they were caught and tried to be passed off as passers. I hope that they are more concerned with the health of the fish than the paper work. I know their will be some fish that just don't make the trip but to lose 12 extremely hardy fish just doesn't seem all that right. To me it just didn't sound like they were being taken care for, I am not there, neither is anyone else. No one really knows exactly what is going on, until we find out, all we have is opinions. All I can hope for is that the rest of the 40 fish pull thru fine, and I am curious to see where they end up, if any go to a public aquarium near me.
Exactly.
What attitude? Don't take my post the wrong way, don't take everything too seriously, you might miss out in life. Please lets keep this thread on topic, it was already closed once.
I hope these fish are being taken cared for, its bad enough how they were caught and tried to be passed off as passers. I hope that they are more concerned with the health of the fish than the paper work. I know their will be some fish that just don't make the trip but to lose 12 extremely hardy fish just doesn't seem all that right. To me it just didn't sound like they were being taken care for, I am not there, neither is anyone else. No one really knows exactly what is going on, until we find out, all we have is opinions. All I can hope for is that the rest of the 40 fish pull thru fine, and I am curious to see where they end up, if any go to a public aquarium near me.
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15014767#post15014767 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by zemuron114
But like was posted on a few different occasions, no one really knows what happened except a few, until the facts beak, it is all speculation
Exactly.
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ReefRascals
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I don't follow you at all. Sorry. It was originally stated that there were 40 fish (as noted in the title of this thread), and then it was corrected and the number became 52. No mention of any fish dying. If anything they are reproducing.
'Until the facts beak' (exactly as you quoted), please don't make any assumptions that these fish aren't being handled properly.
I will say though that when you confront someone online and state 'did you read the link', that it comes off with a high degree of insult. With 4000 posts here, you should know how it works.
'Until the facts beak' (exactly as you quoted), please don't make any assumptions that these fish aren't being handled properly.
I will say though that when you confront someone online and state 'did you read the link', that it comes off with a high degree of insult. With 4000 posts here, you should know how it works.
NyReefNoob
skimmer freak
all i can say is it cracks me up with these holier then now people, jmaney do you have a fish tank ? if so why are you saying anything, legal act's or not. congrats on the hard find, cortez marine
jmaneyapanda
Commencing hatred
I dont understand your question. Yes, I do have a fish tank. All of my livestock was legally collected and imported. How does this make me "holier than thou" (which is what I assume you meant)?
cortez marine
In Memoriam
"All of my livestock was legally collected ....."
Really? No Philippine or Indonesian [ Bali] fish at all?
Steve
Really? No Philippine or Indonesian [ Bali] fish at all?
Steve
Terra Ferma
New member
Where did it say 12 of the fish passed on? How you do know the Clipperton is an "extremely hardy" species? If you have any husbandry experience with the Clipperton Angel, please share, as I am curious.
ReefRascals
New member
TERRA FERMA - It wasn't I who said 12 of the fish passed on... just to be clear. And yes, I do indeed have collection and husbandry experience with the Clipperton angel. Thanks for asking.
jmaneyapanda
Commencing hatred
Actually, no. I have specifically chosen to try to NOT get fish from the areas where you have fought the battles you have fought in the past. Two Bangaii cardinals that were tank bred, and two clowns that were also tank bred, but otherwise, I am Hawaiian, Australian, or East Indian Ocean. With one exception. I do own a fish that was collected by you....
But, Im sure it was done properly. The clarion, of course.Again, whats the point?
cortez marine
In Memoriam
multiple post error
multiple post error
multiple post error...ooops.
multiple post error
multiple post error...ooops.
cortez marine
In Memoriam
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cortez marine
In Memoriam
For a hobbyists its very simple to have a clean fish collection. With a little knowledge of zoogeorgraphy, you can easily choose from the sustainable sources.
For a dealer, most find it near impossible to pay the rent without resorting to Philippine and Indo fish. I thought you were a commercial dealer of sorts from your posts.
Steve
For a dealer, most find it near impossible to pay the rent without resorting to Philippine and Indo fish. I thought you were a commercial dealer of sorts from your posts.
Steve
cortez marine
In Memoriam
matter of scale
matter of scale
And,
Not all Philippine and Indo fish are tainted.
But, to keep the shipment clean takes a great deal more involvement, effort and interest then most are willing to invest.
The exporter of course knows how his fish come to him. He has the secret know one really wants to pressure him on.
He knows if he fronted cash for his middleman to buy the poison.
He knows if he sells it directly to the divers.
He knows from where and from whom he buys his fish.
Its generally a "don't ask , don't tell" situation and I can assure you, very few importers ask.
Be they European, American or public aquarium...there is very little pressure from the National fisheries, the market or agencies in market countries.
I mean, peddle a seahorse, they would be all over you....peddle 80 boxes of coral killing poisoned fish....and its a free pass.
Our trade has quite a selection of things to get concerned about or " let slide."
I think it generally follows that, the greater the problem, the greater the fear of involvement and commitment. Hence, fewer participants in the struggle.
Conversely, the smaller the problem, the less fear of involvement and commitment ...thus the greater numbers of "concerned citizens".
Steve
matter of scale
And,
Not all Philippine and Indo fish are tainted.
But, to keep the shipment clean takes a great deal more involvement, effort and interest then most are willing to invest.
The exporter of course knows how his fish come to him. He has the secret know one really wants to pressure him on.
He knows if he fronted cash for his middleman to buy the poison.
He knows if he sells it directly to the divers.
He knows from where and from whom he buys his fish.
Its generally a "don't ask , don't tell" situation and I can assure you, very few importers ask.
Be they European, American or public aquarium...there is very little pressure from the National fisheries, the market or agencies in market countries.
I mean, peddle a seahorse, they would be all over you....peddle 80 boxes of coral killing poisoned fish....and its a free pass.
Our trade has quite a selection of things to get concerned about or " let slide."
I think it generally follows that, the greater the problem, the greater the fear of involvement and commitment. Hence, fewer participants in the struggle.
Conversely, the smaller the problem, the less fear of involvement and commitment ...thus the greater numbers of "concerned citizens".
Steve
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