ccampbell57
Premium Member
Trust me when you are spending upwards of $5k for a fish, you are going to give it a good life...I know I was (and am) ready...
OMG 40 clipperton angelfish, Holocanthus limbaughi,
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copps
Premium Member
Do you own a saltwater aquarium?
LargeAngels
Premium Member
'Tank of the Year' on ReefsUK back in 2006
copps
Premium Member
All species have dead loss... we just don't hear about most of it... sad but true... I was wondering, because someone with sentiment like that chose the wrong hobby...
copps
Premium Member
Trips like these are what have resulted in this species being displayed in public aquaria, and what will eventually result in broodstock of this fish being spawned and raised in captivity... If something were to happen at clipperton this species would otherwise be lost... I have no problem with proper collection and regulation of this species in the future... and while I'm not able to discuss details, I do not put blame on the collector of this fish, or the people that ultimately received them, but rather the way the fish were confiscated... I'll leave it at that...
I would, however, be against... say, collection of Chaetodontoplus ballinae at Ball's Pyramid for anything but scientific reasons...
I would, however, be against... say, collection of Chaetodontoplus ballinae at Ball's Pyramid for anything but scientific reasons...
AquaKnight
Active member
How? Someone was trying to import a species that would turn a profit.
Name one importer who does it "for the love of the fish?"
jmaneyapanda
Commencing hatred
Really?! Despite the fact that the importer freely admits to purposefully mislabelling them at time of import?! It is quite obvious where the blame lays IMO. Its a shame they ahve supposedly died, but if were going to start assigning and speculating blame, we shoudl all consider that.
Iwishihadgills
New member
+1 to that . Sometimes it could be a delay in shipping, weather, customs, You name it . Crap happens and sometimes its out of your hands. I think the import of these fish would be a great gain to this hobby. If many of us didnt have this hobby how would people know how unique and special our oceans are.
my 2cents
jmaneyapanda
Commencing hatred
apologize for this comment. I shouldve kept my mouth shut.
Kahuna Tuna
Active member
As others have stated we dont have all the facts so I'm not going to comment further on the particulars of this case. What I will say however is that I agree with the opinion that with a very geographically limited or rare species like the one in question I dont think it is a good idea to collect them at all and that they should be left alone.
I know a lot of people in the hobby get off on the idea of keeping rare fish and go out of their way to obtain them but I personally feel this is a bit selfish and very shortsighted. I dont think that this practice has the slightest possibility of doing anything good for our hobby but may in fact cause it harm. Any bad publicity cannot be a good thing for our hobby in the long term in todays political climate. I dont equate keeping other, more common marine tropicals with keeping rare of geographically limited fish as this usually has a very limited impact on these populations.
I do believe that it is incidents like this one which do get publicity that may ultimately be the undoing of our hobby. I have personally witnessed negative publicity have a very profound impact on public perception in other areas and the public hardly ever hears any of the positive things associated with any given activity, bad news sells a lot better than good unfortunately.
I know a lot of people in the hobby get off on the idea of keeping rare fish and go out of their way to obtain them but I personally feel this is a bit selfish and very shortsighted. I dont think that this practice has the slightest possibility of doing anything good for our hobby but may in fact cause it harm. Any bad publicity cannot be a good thing for our hobby in the long term in todays political climate. I dont equate keeping other, more common marine tropicals with keeping rare of geographically limited fish as this usually has a very limited impact on these populations.
I do believe that it is incidents like this one which do get publicity that may ultimately be the undoing of our hobby. I have personally witnessed negative publicity have a very profound impact on public perception in other areas and the public hardly ever hears any of the positive things associated with any given activity, bad news sells a lot better than good unfortunately.
espocrespo
New member
wow my thread has come back lol, only just got back to it and started to read it 
Jordani
New member
I don't think they'll be collecting there for a while, remember the tanker that landed clipperton atoll at the end oof febraury this year?
Quote from site :"We are getting reports that a chemical tanker carrying 10,000 tons of Xylene has run aground on Clipperton Island. The Tahiti Press reported the story almost 10 days ago but at the time it was believed that the hull was intact and the contents were safe. However, we have just received word that the High Commisioner of French Polynesia has canceled an application to collect fish at the Isle of Passion because the Xylene and other toxic substances are leaking out. Now the island territory is being cordoned off and all ships are banned from approaching. We can only hope that the chemical spill is not as bad as it sounds and that the French Polynesian government is taking extreme precautionary action to prevent this ship-grounding from causing a massive natural disaster which threatens many endemic species, not the least of which is the famous Clipperton Island Angelfish. This is a very serious situation and we can only wait to hear more on what develops."
Look what I just found at wikipedia! "Commencing in 2010, the Nautilus Explorer will be running diving expeditions from Cabo San Lucas to Clipperton Atoll via Socorro Island every spring."
http://www.nautilusexplorer.com/clipperton.htm
Quote from site :"We are getting reports that a chemical tanker carrying 10,000 tons of Xylene has run aground on Clipperton Island. The Tahiti Press reported the story almost 10 days ago but at the time it was believed that the hull was intact and the contents were safe. However, we have just received word that the High Commisioner of French Polynesia has canceled an application to collect fish at the Isle of Passion because the Xylene and other toxic substances are leaking out. Now the island territory is being cordoned off and all ships are banned from approaching. We can only hope that the chemical spill is not as bad as it sounds and that the French Polynesian government is taking extreme precautionary action to prevent this ship-grounding from causing a massive natural disaster which threatens many endemic species, not the least of which is the famous Clipperton Island Angelfish. This is a very serious situation and we can only wait to hear more on what develops."
Look what I just found at wikipedia! "Commencing in 2010, the Nautilus Explorer will be running diving expeditions from Cabo San Lucas to Clipperton Atoll via Socorro Island every spring."
http://www.nautilusexplorer.com/clipperton.htm
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JoshuaG
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Guy that caught these pleaded guilty, faces a year in prison and 100,000 fine.
http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-news/ci_18711110
http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-news/ci_18711110
aquaticvet1
.Registered Member
Unfortunately this is the owner of Cortez Marine and past president of the American Marinelife Dealers Association (AMDA), potentially devastating to the image of the hobby.
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