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Current Tank Status

Current Tank Status

It crashed. It was my fault. I didn't clean the part two rock thoroughly enough.

Saturday morning my ammonia was hitting 2.5ppm. Richard sent me a care package of some awesome critters, but I didn't want to put them in the tank because of the high ammonia and the mantises.

I went to the LFS and bought as much salt water as I could carry. I came home and did a 50% water change. 6 hours later, the ammonia was almost 5ppm. I pulled several rocks and found one that was slightly beyond rank. I just tossed it and tried to suck up all the junk lying underneath it. I did another 50% water change and went to bed. (This was about 11P).

I checked my ammonia in the morning and it was above 7ppm (the highest my test kit reads. the test tube was almost black.) I had enough for a 50% water change, but I though I would do something radical because WCs weren't helping and, besides, I didn't have anymore salt water and the LFS was closed for two days.

I pulled all the rocks, gave them an RO dip and a good scrubbing. I found three more rocks that were really bad. multiple scrubbings and RO dips didn't get them smelling merely bad.

I figure by this time, the only thing alive in the tank was the mantis shrimp. I pulled all the rock out and hosed it off. I'll start curing it tonight, when I get home. I have to sieve the sand to get all the dead things out of it. Hundreds of tiny little crabs, worms, and sea stars... dead.

Then I'll set everything up again and cure the rock... not having to worry about life in the tank other than bacteria.

Later, I'll call Richard for some critters, hermits, stars, snails, and a gongorian or two.

He's really done right by me, it's not his fault I screwed everything up.

Watch for Ogre's Tank v2.0 coming soon.
 
I'm so sorry to hear about your crash. :( It's tough to keep things going while the rock acclimates. I'm looking forward to seeing v2.0. :)
 
Sucks! :(

you may be surprised thoug some stuff will still show up.

about the "RO Dips" ... that I am not so sure was a good idea
if by RO dip you mean fresh RO water w/o salt?

or do you mean some RO water with salt ?

??

many things would die in freshwater for sure... now a good bucket of fresh saltwater as a rinse ... that would be better.
 
gosh that's awful

gosh that's awful

oh man, that is terrible news! you must be so upset with yourself, too. :sad2:

like RedWarrior77 said, "Can't wait to see v2.0!"

on the RO dip, i've heard you want to use high salinity water for that to get rid of those "bad" guys. I may let mine stay in the tank. husband is not to keen on the idea. he has a favorite barnacle he has been watching!
 
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12945881#post12945881 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by OgreMkV
It crashed. It was my fault. I didn't clean the part two rock thoroughly enough.

Saturday morning my ammonia was hitting 2.5ppm. Richard sent me a care package of some awesome critters, but I didn't want to put them in the tank because of the high ammonia and the mantises.

I went to the LFS and bought as much salt water as I could carry. I came home and did a 50% water change. 6 hours later, the ammonia was almost 5ppm. I pulled several rocks and found one that was slightly beyond rank. I just tossed it and tried to suck up all the junk lying underneath it. I did another 50% water change and went to bed. (This was about 11P).

I checked my ammonia in the morning and it was above 7ppm (the highest my test kit reads. the test tube was almost black.) I had enough for a 50% water change, but I though I would do something radical because WCs weren't helping and, besides, I didn't have anymore salt water and the LFS was closed for two days.

I pulled all the rocks, gave them an RO dip and a good scrubbing. I found three more rocks that were really bad. multiple scrubbings and RO dips didn't get them smelling merely bad.

I figure by this time, the only thing alive in the tank was the mantis shrimp. I pulled all the rock out and hosed it off. I'll start curing it tonight, when I get home. I have to sieve the sand to get all the dead things out of it. Hundreds of tiny little crabs, worms, and sea stars... dead.

Then I'll set everything up again and cure the rock... not having to worry about life in the tank other than bacteria.

Later, I'll call Richard for some critters, hermits, stars, snails, and a gongorian or two.

He's really done right by me, it's not his fault I screwed everything up.

Watch for Ogre's Tank v2.0 coming soon.

I'm in the same spot and nervous. I put in part 2 last night and my ammonia went from 0 to .5 this morning. I know it's not 1 yet but I'll be watching it closely.

Tonight I'll sniff the rocks and clean if needed.
I guess I could just use a toothbrush right?

If I do a 25% water change and then another 25% a couple hours later does that count as 50%
 
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12951189#post12951189 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Acrophet
I'm in the same spot and nervous. I put in part 2 last night and my ammonia went from 0 to .5 this morning. I know it's not 1 yet but I'll be watching it closely.

Tonight I'll sniff the rocks and clean if needed.
I guess I could just use a toothbrush right?

If I do a 25% water change and then another 25% a couple hours later does that count as 50%

.5 is normal......just keep it under 1ppm...and all will be well...

Richard TBS
 
careful!

careful!

"
Tonight I'll sniff the rocks and clean if needed.
I guess I could just use a toothbrush right?"

If the rock looks, smells ok, it is ok......trying to 'clean' can do more damage, especially if the rock is ok.....as you injure life on the rock, which causes it to stress and die....


Richard TBS:rollface: :rollface: :rollface:
 
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12951189#post12951189 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Acrophet
I'm in the same spot and nervous. I put in part 2 last night and my ammonia went from 0 to .5 this morning. I know it's not 1 yet but I'll be watching it closely.

Tonight I'll sniff the rocks and clean if needed.
I guess I could just use a toothbrush right?

If I do a 25% water change and then another 25% a couple hours later does that count as 50%

Don't be nervous, just watch the ammonia and you'll sail through the cycle :cool: the ammonia in our tank has hovered at around 1.0 ppm. it spiked once to 2.5 but we were prepared because I had been watching the snails and 8 of them didn't make the transition. husband did a water change and checked the ammonia and it was over 1.0 but under 2.0 so he did another water change which brought it under 1.0 where it has remained. we are now 5 days into the cycle and all we have lost are the 8 snails, 1 sponge that was growing on the rock, and the peppermint shrimp the bad crabs ate :mad2:

we did not scrub the rock or blast the holes with selzer water. i insisted on getting into the tank ASAP to avoid having sponges out in the air too long.
 
Teri, that's exactly what I did too. But something in my tank died... I guess. When I gave up the ship was when the ammonia was above 5ppm and stayed there.

I pulled the rocks and the all smelled totally dead.

.5 is nothing. Enjoy it. Once I got the second shipment, it never went below 2ppm.
 
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we did not scrub the rock or blast the holes with selzer water. i insisted on getting into the tank ASAP to avoid having sponges out in the air too long. [/B]


IN my Opinion the thing you hit on is one of the mistakes I think that folks make, sponges have no way to get air out of them.

so if you pull out a rock that has some and any air gets in then unless you work the rock to "shake out" any air it kills a part of that sponge and can then kill the rest of it.

also the selzer water and other "dips"

snails, crabs, shrimp, pods,Clams, Starfish, tube worms/ featherdusters and the like are often very affected by the salt level in water. a sudden change that may drive out a crab or mantis may also kill a *LOT* of small things you did not see.
then when you put the rock into the tank it takes a while for the stressed / dead things to rot and you get the smell and the amonia.

use the dips/ sprays/ and the scrubbing with care.

I'd rather go to target and get 5-6 18 gallon rubbermaid tubs and fill them with good saltwater and get 4-5 air pumps and run stones and use the water volume and water chnages to sort out the good from the bad then use selzer water.
 
In my case, I didn't really do anything except sniff for bad stuff and get it in the tank as quickly as possible. I seem to have had more trouble than anyone.
 
Don't feel too bad, ogre...about a day or so after my part 1 arrived, I had an ammonia spike high enough that one of my tests didn't even have a green color dark enough for it. I did water changes and got off more dead things and it's gotten better. I think my mistake was not taking enough time when I put the rock in to really inspect it and find anything that was thinking about turning and removing it. Good luck with your next batch...at the very least, this should have kicked off your cycle in your tank in a big way, which at least is something. I think all us noobs have our growing pains!
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12952719#post12952719 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by OgreMkV
Teri, that's exactly what I did too. But something in my tank died... I guess. When I gave up the ship was when the ammonia was above 5ppm and stayed there.

I pulled the rocks and the all smelled totally dead.

.5 is nothing. Enjoy it. Once I got the second shipment, it never went below 2ppm.

your tank is 46 gallons? maybe since mine is a little bigger (with a 10 gallon refugium/sump) it's been an "easier" cycle. i told husband your tank story and you have his sympathy. he said, "oh wow, that's terrible." we've been checking the ammonia 4-6 times a day.
 
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What are you doing with the ammonia. I mean, when do you do a water change and how often do you check your rock for dead stuff?
 
BTW: I talked it over with Richard and we're going to try again with a full package. I really wanted black sand in my tank, but I guess it isn't to be. Now it'll be like everyone else's... sigh.

Anyway, I'm going to finish cleaning the tank tonight. Reset it up. And start mixing saltwater in it. I ordered another skimmer (Remora with the maxi-1200) and hopefully will have it Friday. I've got another 45 gallon rubbermaid bin in the studio and will mix up a huge batch of emergency change water. Plus my 2 7 gallon transport jugs. That'll give me up to a 133% water change from day one. Of course it takes about 3 days for my RO unit to fill the big tub...

So watch for the 2.0 thread coming soon.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12953720#post12953720 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by OgreMkV
BTW: I talked it over with Richard and we're going to try again with a full package. I really wanted black sand in my tank, but I guess it isn't to be. Now it'll be like everyone else's... sigh.

Anyway, I'm going to finish cleaning the tank tonight. Reset it up. And start mixing saltwater in it. I ordered another skimmer (Remora with the maxi-1200) and hopefully will have it Friday. I've got another 45 gallon rubbermaid bin in the studio and will mix up a huge batch of emergency change water. Plus my 2 7 gallon transport jugs. That'll give me up to a 133% water change from day one. Of course it takes about 3 days for my RO unit to fill the big tub...

So watch for the 2.0 thread coming soon.

WOOT!! Can't wait for the v2.0

i did not sniff a single rock. I sent husband to the local home improvement store to get a LARGE container for storing RO/DI water for mixing saltwater.

don't sweat the color of your sand. and NO it won't be like everyone else's. Your full package sand will be unique to your ecosystem.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12953683#post12953683 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by OgreMkV
What are you doing with the ammonia. I mean, when do you do a water change and how often do you check your rock for dead stuff?

hmmm. . . i do a water change when the ammonia test kit indicates a reading above 1.0 (on the API kit it would be darker than the color on the little saltwater chart that comes with the test kit. i tested the ammonia in the ro/di water without salt mix initially because the scientist in me wanted that reading as a base) i had trouble at first reading the test results when cycling part 1. but after the brown diatom bloom the ammonia test results had a different shade as indicated on the chart. and i learned to leave the tank water alone if the chart showed the ammonia to be at 1.0 or less. it was a hard lesson to learn for some reason.

changing the water too much can prolong the ammonia cycle, but if the ammonia cycle goes above 1.0 that can be lethal to everything in the tank.
 
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12953198#post12953198 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by figuerres
IN my Opinion the thing you hit on is one of the mistakes I think that folks make, sponges have no way to get air out of them.

so if you pull out a rock that has some and any air gets in then unless you work the rock to "shake out" any air it kills a part of that sponge and can then kill the rest of it.

also the selzer water and other "dips"

snails, crabs, shrimp, pods,Clams, Starfish, tube worms/ featherdusters and the like are often very affected by the salt level in water. a sudden change that may drive out a crab or mantis may also kill a *LOT* of small things you did not see.
then when you put the rock into the tank it takes a while for the stressed / dead things to rot and you get the smell and the amonia.

use the dips/ sprays/ and the scrubbing with care.

I'd rather go to target and get 5-6 18 gallon rubbermaid tubs and fill them with good saltwater and get 4-5 air pumps and run stones and use the water volume and water chnages to sort out the good from the bad then use selzer water.

When you do a water change how do you prevent the sponges from being exposed to the air, especially if you have sponges near the top of you aquascaping?
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12953720#post12953720 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by OgreMkV
BTW: I talked it over with Richard and we're going to try again with a full package. I really wanted black sand in my tank, but I guess it isn't to be. Now it'll be like everyone else's... sigh.

Anyway, I'm going to finish cleaning the tank tonight. Reset it up. And start mixing saltwater in it. I ordered another skimmer (Remora with the maxi-1200) and hopefully will have it Friday. I've got another 45 gallon rubbermaid bin in the studio and will mix up a huge batch of emergency change water. Plus my 2 7 gallon transport jugs. That'll give me up to a 133% water change from day one. Of course it takes about 3 days for my RO unit to fill the big tub...

So watch for the 2.0 thread coming soon.

fwiw I like the 18 Gallon and 25 Gallon storage boxes from rubbermaid.

larger then 25 is un-movable when full.

18 and 25 I can drag around when full and 18 I can lift when not too full.

the 18's are not very expensive so I have a whole bunch of them stacked in a closet for when I need them.

can't recall atm what your tank size is, can you go with the remora pro?? do you have a sump??
to me the skimmer is never big enough, always go with the largest one you can get. If I could I'd have a 4 foot tall monster that would work for a 400 gallon tank on my little 90
just to get the max skimm possible :D
 
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