One day there may not be anymore Corals in the ocean

Thats bad to hear but I am not a biologist but I feel that corals and other marine life can adapt from the PH levels slowly decreasing over a number of years. As seen with Darwins observation of Moths how they adapted to changes from polution. But time will tell.
 
Nature has a way of able to cope w/ such ongoing change all the time. If the corals of today perish there's gonna be another life form of tomorow will imerge taylor to such condition. From the age of dinosaurus, today ,thru what ever lifeform pops out in the future. I dont know, I wont be here to witness it.:D
 
Different life forms, but not necessarily corals. The dinosaurs didn't make it.

Effects are already visible of temp rise and changes in water parameters. Witness massive die-off in Caribbean reefs (almost no boulder corals left after rapid death over the last 3 years), and on Great Barrier Reef (long stretches bleached white then dead this year). IIRC 20% of remaining reefs died in 2005 alone. I believe that was the data in an article linked in an earlier thread on RC a few months ago.
 
So what if the corals are bleaching and the temp is rising...do you think it just started this year? This has been going on for thousands of years. That is how the reefs function. I agree after seeing it myself that there is an excess of bleaching, but do you think nature will just give up this round and everything will die?
 
c/p from an article on the bleaching event we as a people need to heed natures warnings. Its not reefs it is everything in general , polution over population, and killing off natural habitats for our needs. And no I am not a tree hugger just a little p.o.ed how we are ruining our recources

The so what attitude just is insane!!! look at extinction (spelling) its not nature giving up, just not being able to keep ahead of our mess

By Michael Perry
Mon Mar 13, 8:13 PM ET



SYDNEY (Reuters) - When marine scientist Ray Berkelmans went diving at Australia's Great Barrier Reef earlier this year, what he discovered shocked him -- a graveyard of coral stretching as far as he could see.

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"It's a white desert out there," Berkelmans told Reuters in early March after returning from a dive to survey bleaching -- signs of a mass death of corals caused by a sudden rise in ocean temperatures -- around the Keppel Islands.

Australia has just experienced its warmest year on record and abnormally high sea temperatures during summer have caused massive coral bleaching in the Keppels. Sea temperatures touched 29 degrees Celsius (84 Fahrenheit), the upper limit for coral.

High temperatures are also a condition for the formation of hurricanes, such as Katrina which hit New Orleans in 2005.

"My estimate is in the vicinity of 95 to 98 percent of the coral is bleached in the Keppels," said Berkelmans from the Australian Institute of Marine Science.

Marine scientists say another global bleaching episode cannot be ruled out, citing major bleaching in the Caribbean in the 2005 northern hemisphere summer, which coincided with one of the 20 warmest years on record in the United States.

"In 2002, it would appear the Great Barrier Reef went first and then the global bleaching followed six to 12 months later. Is it the same this time around? No," said Berkelmans.

"The Caribbean beat us to it. We seem to be riding on the back of that event. We don't know what is ahead in six months for the Indian Ocean reefs as they head into their summer."

"This might be part of a global pattern where the warm waters continue to get warmer."

Other threats to coral reefs -- vast ecosystems often called the nurseries of the seas -- include pollution, over-fishing, coastal development and diseases.

CAN CORAL RECOVER?

Corals are vital as spawning grounds for many species of fish, help prevent coastal erosion and also draw tourists.

Bleaching is due to higher than average water temperatures, triggered mainly by global warming, scientists say. Higher temperatures force corals to expel algae living in coral polyps which provide food and color, leaving white calcium skeletons. Coral dies in about a month if the waters do not cool.

Berkelmans said the Keppels had previously bounced back from bleaching once the waters had cooled. But if temperatures remained abnormally high then that would be much more difficult.

Many scientists say global temperatures are rising because fossil fuel emissions from cars, industry and other sources are trapping the earth's heat. Experts worry some coral reefs could be wiped out by the end of the century.

Global warming could also damage corals by raising world sea levels by up to a meter by 2100. That could result in less light reaching deeper corals, threatening the important algae.

The Great Barrier Reef -- the world's largest living reef formation stretching 2,000 km (1,250 miles) north to south along Australia's northeast coast -- was the first to experience what turned out to be global coral bleaching in 1998 and 2002.

The Keppels bleaching is as severe as those two events and scientists say the threat of widespread bleaching is moderate.

"Sea temperatures in all regions of the Great Barrier Reef are at levels capable of causing thermal stress to corals," said the Great Barrier Reef Marine Park Authority's February report.

The U.S. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration's Coral Reef Watch said the 2005 Caribbean bleaching centered on the U.S. Virgin Islands, but stretched from the Florida Keys to Tobago and Barbados in the south and Panama and Costa Rica.

Reef Watch said sea temperature stress levels in the Caribbean in 2005 were more than treble the levels that normally cause bleaching and almost double the levels that kill coral.

"Time will tell whether there was large-scale mortality or not," said Professor Robert Van Woesik from the Florida Institute of Technology in a statement issued by Australia's Queensland University. He said corals did have some ability to bounce back but that this was an unusually warm event.

DANGEROUS TERRITORY

Queensland University's Professor Ove Hoegh-Guldberg, head of a group of 100 scientists monitoring bleaching, said scientists were concerned about how close in time the two severe bleaching episodes were.

"The 2006 Great Barrier Reef event comes soon after the worst incidence of coral bleaching in the Caribbean in October 2005," said Hoegh-Guldberg who also went diving on the Keppels where he said damage was extensive.

"The traces suggest we are tracking the temperature profile of 2001-2002, which led to the worst incidence of coral bleaching ... for the Great Barrier Reef," he said.

In 2002, between 60 and 95 percent of the reefs that make up the Great Barrier Reef were bleached. Most corals survived but in some locations up to 90 percent were killed.

Hoegh-Guldberg said projections from 40 climate models suggested that oceans would warm by as much as three to four degrees Celsius in the next 100 years.

"We're starting to get into very dangerous territory where what we see perhaps this year will become the norm and of course extreme events will become more likely," he said.

"The climate is changing so quickly that coral reefs don't keep up ... the loss of that ecosystem
 
madscientist.

your level of thinking is a part of the reason for the ignorance that stems todays issues. to think this has been going on at this level for thousands of years is just narrow minded.

i do not think nature predicted machines to release enormous amts of contaminants,vocs into the air.
 
bryanth73

Im not trying to be a jerk and it's not like im just saying "so what, keep killing." I just find it pointless to complain about something that will never change. Again, this is not an issue that just popped up yesterday, this is an issue that has been around for a long time. Have people changed...no. Have the corals changed...yes - they are evolving.

Here is a thought...most corals are dying because of the rapid increase in water temperature. Now think about this...because of the way the continental plates are moving, areas are increasing in their average temperature and their winters are not as cold. Soon, we will be considered tropicals in the US (although we probably wont be around to see it).

This just means corals will migrate to the areas that allow them to thrive. Bottom line is nature always finds a way. IMO, I think a few species might be lost forever, but most corals will survive.
 
embryoguy

OK, than according to your statement, man has never evolved and pollution has remained constant for the entire time of our existance except for now?

Yeah, your right...im sure nature didn't predict machines releasing crap into the water. And machines just started to do this this decade, right? How long have we been using fuel and polluting?
 
the shifting of the plates is nature, polution and greenhouse gasses is not. We have destroyed many more times the life than any natural event. Just the thought that corals evolving and people don't, is giving in to say people can't ( or won't change). Two wrongs dont make a right and we must change or face our own consequences.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7692953#post7692953 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Flobajob
If people doubt global warming then they are wrong - it definitely is occuring, in fact without it the temperature of the Earth would be 34 centigrade cooler. What scientists debate is whether the pollution that humans generate is contributing to increasing the greenhouse layer of gases, or whether its impact is minimal and the fluctuations in the Earth's temperature are caused naturally (there is solid evidence that the temperature of the Earth changes in a cycle - just as there is evidence that the Earth has periods of ice age and warmer interludes that cycle constantly).

I took this from another thread in RD. I couldn't agree more with his statement.

We aren't that far from the ice age in earth terms. I believe we are heading back to the days of tropical climtaes. The corals will move to areas more suitable for them to thrive in.
 
Some organisms will survive. Corals are the least likely to survive by moving because they are among the more fragile of earth's organisms in many ways, perhaps vulnerable is a better word than fragile. Sharks, whales, they'll be ok.

By the way, we are not heading for tropical temps here in N. America. About half our population is at risk as they live along the coastal areas, which will end up underwater. We face an ice age.

Earth will adapt and restore itself to equilibrium. Whether human civilization, formed by the most adaptable species the planet has ever known, will survive in-tact is an open debate.

The prospect for the reefs is pretty dismal.

To think that human activity is not in part responsible for the acceleration of "thousands of years" trends, or that the only self-conscious species in existence shouldn't try to do something, alter some behaviors, to try to have a positive impact, is, well, choose your word to end that sentence. Let's call it typical human negligence.

Scary, and sad, as the impact is likely to be felt by my children.
 
i agree

i agree

earth is constantly changing and going through cycles which could be part of the problem but i am a believer that when something big goes wrong it normally has multiple reasons for it going wrong. i think half of the corals dieing is because of human activity but i also think half is because earth is changing. If you look at the past there are 5 10 100 1000 year cycles that go on with earth, tempurature, volcanic activity, earthquakes, hurricanes, doesnt matter everthing has cycles because its the circle of life. Also the continents are moving so stuff will dye in some spots but will pop up in new spots. For instance corals are now poping up in out own homes because of this hobby. They say 20 % of reefs died last year but did they say how many new ones poped up, probably not most the time the media only reports half the storry.
 
also

also

also evolution takes care of it self, look at that baby born in china two weeks ago who was born with three arms. HIs parents had it removed but that is definatly evolution so evolution does take place in humans today its just that it is diagnosed as a disease. I wish i had a third arm it would be great for boxing or lots of sports but also building stuff, like the other day i was building my new Metal Halide system and if I only had three arms to hold the wood in place and hold the screw while screwing it in. Like i said evolution does take place it is just diagnosed as a disease or something negative.
 
ostrow-

We ARE headed towards a tropic climate. If you follow the movement of the continental plates, we are being pushed towards the equator. The fact that the coastal communities could be underwater has nothing to do with an ice age, but global warming. The only possible way for the world to be in another ice age is for the polar caps to completley melt in a short period of time. This would flood the earth drastically and change, if not stop the continental winds, which in return would freeze everything. We will see the tropical climate well before any chance of an ice age.

drew55 said it perfectly:

If you look at the past there are 5 10 100 1000 year cycles that go on with earth, tempurature, volcanic activity, earthquakes, hurricanes, doesnt matter everthing has cycles because its the circle of life. Also the continents are moving so stuff will dye in some spots but will pop up in new spots. For instance corals are now poping up in out own homes because of this hobby. They say 20 % of reefs died last year but did they say how many new ones poped up, probably not most the time the media only reports half the storry.

When a forest burns down, it doesn't remain a heap of ashes...it grows back, often times thicker than before. The same will happen with the corals in the ocean. One may die, but only to leave a platform for three more to grow.
 
I read this in another article and I do believe that "life will find a way" but this is not always true with every life form. As far as everything moving in cycles yes but when things have remained consistant for hundreds of thousands of years and all of a sudden a change so drastic in such a short period of time is in fact being caused by mankind.

"In the oceans pH is a relatively constant property and it has not changed over time scales of hundreds of thousands and probably even millions of years," Kleypas said.

"The pH changes that are occurring in the ocean today are truly extraordinary," she added. The oceans are normally slightly alkaline. Their average surface pH was 8.2 in 1800 and is headed for a predicted 7.9 by the middle of this century, she said.

This was read from:
http://www.comcast.net/news/science...E&fn=/2006/07/05/428263.html&cvqh=sci_gasfuel
 
Rich that is right on the pH stability.

As for ice age, global warming and melting of polar caps is altering ocean currents, the result of which will make N. America and N. Europe colder, not warmer. Ice age. And that change is happening at such a more rapid pace than continental drift that it is not even worth talking about the latter. Take a look at satellite images of the polar caps comparing today to just 5 years ago.
 
Quoted from http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/planetearth/ice_melt_010117.html

Scientists have long known that polar ice has been melting for the past 14,000 years or so, and that seas are on the rise. So far, the major contributor to rising seas is what's called thermal expansion: As oceans warm up, (as current data confirms), the water expands and sea levels actually rise.
Either way, melting polar ice has so far not contributed significantly to the rising seas. Prevailing views hold that it could be between 100 and 1,000 years before enough polar ice melts to significantly affect sea levels.
 
Mad Scientist, that is probably true, but I would think human intervention has drastically increased this process, making it much more difficult for the corals to adapt.
 
A comparison of mean genus longevities with Phanerozoic genus extinction rates suggests a close relation between longevity maxima and mass extinctions. Interesting, right?

Marine taxa that originated during recoveries from mass extinctions were commonly more widespread spatially than those originating at other times. This observation of geographic ranges and temporal longevities of marine taxa predicts that recovery taxa were unusually long-lived geologically.

An old professor of mine analyzed this possibility, assessing the longevities of marine genus cohorts from the Phanerozoic. Results confirm that several mass extinction recovery cohorts were significantly longer lived than others. Could coral fall in this category? Keep in mind how well they adapt even to our own tanks. Don't forget that it's not only Acros out there either....

Granted our environment now is very different from the Phanerozoic and anythign can happen, nature seems to have a beautiful and amazing way of correcting, protecting, and preserving itself, human interaction or not.

Interesting thread to a former student of the geo/bio of coral reefs ... keep it rolling! Back Monday... have a great weekend!
 
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