OT Brett Farve

[N3gative Cr33p]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13071409#post13071409 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Ryan009
Maybe he should have waited like every other crybaby athlete that waits until the day before camp to decide they want to retire.

This would have been more refreshing than the way he actually handled his (supposed) retirement. :rolleye1:

Someone still needs to tell him about the whole Madden curse history... he might have something seriously wrong happen to him this season, if he actually does come back 100%.

 

[sellout007]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13071069#post13071069 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by cas
He pulled this last year, then came back. The Packers retooled the team to go in another diriction then Farve changed his mind again. You are right a HUGE EGO did get in the way of this, but it was not Ted Thompson's it was the guy who can not even pronouce his name the way it is spelled.

Ted Thompson's only mistake was in taking a 38 year old man at his word. He said he was going to retire and like a moron Thompson believed an egotistical over paid prima donna man child.

So then why not just let him go and release him? Whats the problem then? They moved on, so move on and release him.

The media blows things out of proportion and creates 90% of the drama.

 

[N3gative Cr33p]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13075645#post13075645 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by sellout007
The media blows things out of proportion and creates 90% of the drama.

+1 on this statement.

I just had to change the channel when ESPN (once again) decided to take up a segment or two on covering the most recent news that he's "officially" been reinstated. :rolleye1:

 

[LadyEquinox]

I think they should just set his a - - free and not let him change his mind and media does blows things out of proportion and creates 95% of the drama. HUGE EGO did get in the way of this

 

[ppurcell]

In my opinion Jerry Jones, Terrel Owens and Randy Moss (and lets not leave out Bill Belichik) are the kinds of folks with huge ego's. Brett definately has an ego, but I think it's only a little out of proportion and certainly could be a lot worse. He has spent his entire career working hard every single play (unlike guys like Moss) and I would think any one of us would like to believe that if we were in that situation that our wishes (whether or not change your mind) deserve some respect and consideration. Brett's biggest issue is that he doesn't shut the media out, which is a big part of the reason some people like him and others hate him. He's accessible; and that accessibility leads to over exposure.

 

[sellout007]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13084736#post13084736 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by ppurcell
In my opinion Jerry Jones, Terrel Owens and Randy Moss (and lets not leave out Bill Belichik) are the kinds of folks with huge ego's. Brett definately has an ego, but I think it's only a little out of proportion and certainly could be a lot worse. He has spent his entire career working hard every single play (unlike guys like Moss) and I would think any one of us would like to believe that if we were in that situation that our wishes (whether or not change your mind) deserve some respect and consideration. Brett's biggest issue is that he doesn't shut the media out, which is a big part of the reason some people like him and others hate him. He's accessible; and that accessibility leads to over exposure.

Exactly. His Ego is not the problem.

Bears fans or no, the guy is a legend and he had a phenomenal run last year. He retired and regretted it and he still wants to play. He doesn't want to come back because of his ego, he wants to play. And with the season he had last year, why wouldn't he?

How many of you were screaming Ego when MJ wanted to come back?

 

[JPSKI25]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13061259#post13061259 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by craftytony

Something tells me he'd be the catcher in this relationship!

 

[steri]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13069535#post13069535 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Ryan009
I genuinely don't understand the all the people hating on Brett for his handling of this situation.


Here are the facts:

1. He retired
2. He changed his mind. He admitted he made a mistake and still want to play. We all make mistakes, he admitted he was wrong and made his apology.
3. He wanted to play for the Packers.
4. Packers said they didn't want him and Brett said he completely understood moving on and if the didn't want him, release him.

Where's the waffling? What should he have done differently (other than retiring in the first place)?

Senior veterans are released all the time out of respect for the player if their current team doesn't want them anymore. Look at how the Broncos are handling the Lynch situation - very classy.

I think "Let me compete" or "Release me" is a very fair and reasonable position.

It's Ted Thompson's ego that's getting the way!

I think you left out some stuff between 1 and 2. After he retired in March, a month later he told the Pack he wanted to come back. The Pack decided at that time they would be more then happy to bring him back, and scheduled a private jet to fly him back to Green Bay, so they could have a press conference to state he was coming back. 2 days before the press conference, Favre called tha Pack and said, "Just kidding, I'm going to stay retired." They said are you sure, if so, we're moving on, and he said, "Ya, I'm sure."

Then your #2 happens. If you can't see waffling there, then I'm sorry man, but we need to find you some glasses :lol:

 

[Ryan009]

What is your source for that info? Is it the same source that said Brett had a team issued cell phone?

Brett has already said it didn't happen exactly like that back in March. Could it have? Maybe, but we're back to a he said/she said situation where nobody really knows what happened back in March.

Even it that's true, if Brett was good enough to be the starter in March, why isn't he good enough to be the started in August.

I use to run a graphic design business. The Creative Director drove me absolutely insane sometimes with some of his behavior, but I worked around it because in the end, he produced the best possible product

Yes, Brett has his flaws, but we are talking about the team MVP from 08, the second place finisher in the NFL MVP voting, and undoubtedly the best QB on their roster.

If you're rebuilding, fine - play Rodgers and hope you can build a contender in 3-5 years. But the Packers were one play away from the Superbowl. This is not the time to experiment with a new QB. Bears fans have to know this better than anyone.

It really is very simple. Bears fans - Who would you rather face on Sundays - Brett Favre or Aaron Rodgers. All this other stuff is BS - who gives them the best chance to win football games?

 

[steri]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13092363#post13092363 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Ryan009
What is your source for that info? Is it the same source that said Brett had a team issued cell phone?

Brett has already said it didn't happen exactly like that back in March. Could it have? Maybe, but we're back to a he said/she said situation where nobody really knows what happened back in March.

Even it that's true, if Brett was good enough to be the starter in March, why isn't he good enough to be the started in August.

Well I'm not a reporter, but turn on ESPN for 30 minutes and I am certain you hear that this happened at least once, if not three times. I've read it on Yahoo sports, I've read it on ESPN, and I've heard it on ESPN for the past 3 weeks. Is that good enough crudentials to qualify the statement. I didn't realize it was a matter of debate when I've heard consistently for weeks the same story.......but I guess true Favre fans will defend him til the end.

Whatever, I really don't care what he does, I just pointed out that some details were left out.

If the Pack was smart, they would trade him for conditional draft picks....and probably to a team Favre doesn't want to play for. That way, that team has the rights to Favre, and Favre would just retire, and Green Bay could be done with it and move on. It would be just like the Jake Plummer situation last year.

Whether you agree with the Pack or not, they clearly want to go the direction of Rogers now, and only have Favre there now because they are being forced to.

 

[ppurcell]

This isn't the same as taking the Bulls apart to rebuild, but it has some similarities. I believe the Bulls could have won one maybe two more championships. You push Favre out now when he is willing to play and you know you aren't going to be winning anything except a high draft pick for a few years.

 

[steri]

This is what I don't get about Packer fans. "Bring Favre back at 38 years old! Let's hold on to him tightly for one more year!"

What a bad buisness decision. The Pack's reality (and the front office knows this), is that the Pack are a very young and up and coming team that could be dominant again for the next 5 years with the talent they have. Favre is all that stands in their way. They have a young QB that already has 3 years experience in their system, and could grow immensely with the already young and talented Pack, but if you start Favre this year, you'll lose Rogers next year (because you ****ed him off and he wants to play), and you'll lose Favre because he then be 39, so then you'll have a talented team with no QB!!!!!

If that happens, that will put the Pack back 3-5 years at least while a new or rookie Qb learns the system. Then you will REALLY be in a rebuilding process.

But please, by all means, play Favre this year, that makes all the sense in the world :rolleye1: Make the rest of the NFC Central's teams have an easier go of things for the next 5 years, so that the Favrenites can have one more year.......ha ha ha. I'm amazed at how many Packer fans don't understand that playing Favre this years means holding your team back for the long haul!

 

[ppurcell]

sure, you make a good point. You also forget that Rogers seems to have the same injury disease as Grossman. Often knocked out for the entire season in the first series if not the first play of the season. So, sure bet your future on a guy that has the durability of a crystal vase.

And, are the Bulls any closer to winning with their "young talant" than they were 9 years ago?

 

[steri]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13092722#post13092722 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by ppurcell
sure, you make a good point. You also forget that Rogers seems to have the same injury disease as Grossman. Often knocked out for the entire season in the first series if not the first play of the season. So, sure bet your future on a guy that has the durability of a crystal vase.

And, are the Bulls any closer to winning with their "young talant" than they were 10 years ago?

Basketball and football are 2 completely different worlds. I see zero comparison value between these two sports. Basketball is much more individualistic. Football is much more team orientated, however the team can fail based on the weakest peice, whereas with basketball, one person can easily excel even if his team stinks.

Basketball and Football are not on the same playing field at all, and as such, I can't see a good comparison there.

 

[ppurcell]

ok, fine but you don't see many basketball teams win with just one or two great players on them, it requires more <team> play.

And you ignored my first point. It doesn't matter though, because it's going to get resolved one way or another without regard to any fan opinions.

 

[steri]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13092722#post13092722 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by ppurcell
So, sure bet your future on a guy that has the durability of a crystal vase.

And that somehow is worse then basing your future on a 38 year old QB?!?!?! Come on! Favre is not the future in Green Bay, and you must admit (as I presume you are a GB fan), Green Bay is stacked and ready to win for more then just this year. Farve does not help the future of your franchise.....and the front ofice knows this!

 

[ppurcell]

I'm a Bronco's fan, but they got nothing going on that I can see.

As to your point, I'd call that a toss up.

 

[steri]

:lol:

I'm not a GB fan either, but I know a stacked team when I see it

 

[Ryan009]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13092618#post13092618 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by steri
Well I'm not a reporter, but turn on ESPN for 30 minutes and I am certain you hear that this happened at least once, if not three times. I've read it on Yahoo sports, I've read it on ESPN, and I've heard it on ESPN for the past 3 weeks. Is that good enough crudentials to qualify the statement. I didn't realize it was a matter of debate when I've heard consistently for weeks the same story.......

Well, I guess if a reporter said it , it must be true! javascript:smilie(':rolleye1:')

How about what Brett has to say on the matter:

"They want to know if I'm committed but I want to know if they're 100 percent committed. The problem is that there's been a lot of damage done and I can't forget it. Stuff has been said, stories planted, that just aren't true. Can I get over all that? I doubt it." .....

Asked what stories have been "planted," Favre alluded to the reports that said he waffled on un-retiring in late March or early April. He said that's "just not the way it went down, at all."

He also expressed anger with the stories that alleged he had a team-issued cell phone that showed the Vikings were tampering with him.

"Again, that was bull on both parts," he said.

"Then," Favre said, "they tried to buy me off to stay retired."

 

[46cobraguy]

espn said last night that they are still talking, but he would report to training camp....and "compete" for the QB position....which could possibly mean a hidden "favre is going to be qb"!