OT: Concert Photography

jwedehase

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I've had the opportunity to shoot a few concerts at a local venue. A couple weeks ago, I decided to rent the Canon 70-200 f/2.8L IS for my 20D chassis. WOW, WHAT A LENS! I knew it was awesome, but I'd never shot it before. I need this lens now. Do you think my kids really need to go to college? :)

Seriously, I was floored by the lens. So sharp, so clear, and pulled out shadows like I've never seen before. Here are a few from that evening.

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Wow, those are amazing! What settings do you normally use for people shots or even in those darker conditions? A friend of mine wants me to take pics of his band, but I'm having a hard time getting shots that good in regular lighting with my new 24-70L.
 
T5- You need to figure out just exactly what type of shot you want. Band shots give lots of interesting opportunity for creative blur. I usually set to "M" mode wide open @ f/2.8. I then change the ISO speed to meet the correct exposure of the shutter speed I am looking for. Tripods are generally too big for front stage, but a monopod would give your moshing neighbors some elbow room. I don't own a monopod so I shoot all my shows hand held. If I brace myself against something, great results with shutter speeds in the 1/10 and 1/20 range are possible. I use this for guitarists, but drummers seem to show pleasing blur between 1/60-1/100. This shows the entire path of the sticks flying through the air and maybe some visual echo from a symbol.

Your 24-70 is really going to outshine a lesser lens here.
 
Again these are great! Do you think the IS is that much needed? The non IS version is a lot cheaper. Just curious because my next lens will be a zoom lens. Deciding between this one (or non IS version) and the 100-400f4L.

From what it seems the one you rented rocks. Just curious if the non IS would've been as up to par.
 
Excellent shots!

I have a 70-200 (Nikon) and never thought to use it indoors like that. Thanks for the inspiration!
 
Thanks for the compliments!

Yes, I think the IS was mandatory here, and even more so, the f/2.8. Having shot an f/4 lens in this same venue, you're going to have a hard time. Typically, I shoot the 50mm f/1.4 for these concerts, but I wanted to try something different. I was concerned about losing a few stops due to the aperture, but it wasn't a concern, at all. The only thing I can accredit that to is the IS, since every other variable was the same (except focal length, which would have only compounded the problem, being longer). You can see all the settings in the EXIF info, since that's all been preserved in the images above.

Here are a couple wider shots of the venue, to give you a better grasp of the conditions. It's pretty dark, but the performers are lit up with spotlights. In the second shot, with the blonde singing, you can see the exposure difference between someone in the spotlight, and someone not (the guitarist in the background).

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As for settings, I am forced into ISO 1600. That's just the way it goes. Typically, I keep the camera on aperture priority, and make sure it's wide open. I also normally underexpose a couple clicks, like -2/3 EV. Another option that's worked well is spot metering, because you want the performers faces and skin tones properly exposed, even at the cost of losing the shadows.

What amazes me is how evenly and smoothly this L lens pulled light out of the shadows. In the 4th shot, the singer with the vest and the blue and red lights... the fact that I can see into the area around his throat, and especially his back arm.... I've never had that before. Typically, those are sacrificed into the mud for the rest of the shot.

Here's one more of those shadow-to-spotlight photos.

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Excellent pics! This lens is very sharp. And with IS, you can take a HH shot at 200mm using slow shutter speed and still come out sharp!

Do you find the 70-200mm 2.8 IS intermittently hunts when not all of the AF points are in use? My 70-200 lens does this with my 20D for some reason. I've tested this lens on 30D and 40D without a problem.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14345555#post14345555 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by t5Nitro
Again these are great! Do you think the IS is that much needed?
On a 70-200, yes. IS is a shot saver, ESPECIALLY in low light like this.

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14345555#post14345555 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by t5Nitro
The non IS version is a lot cheaper. Just curious because my next lens will be a zoom lens. Deciding between this one (or non IS version) and the 100-400f4L.
It all depends on how much light you will have to work with. In broad daylight at noon, a 70-200 f/4 will preform vary well without IS. In a venue like this, you need the IS and you need the f/2.8. I don't think an f/4 IS would have pulled nearly as many keeper shots out of this concert.

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14345555#post14345555 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by t5Nitro
From what it seems the one you rented rocks. Just curious if the non IS would've been as up to par.
For the quality of images it produces, the 70-200 f/4 is totally up to par with the 70-200 f/2.8 IS. For the wide range of difficult conditions where it can consistently and dependably preform like this....not so much.

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14347024#post14347024 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by jwedehase
Thanks for the compliments!

Yes, I think the IS was mandatory here, and even more so, the f/2.8. Having shot an f/4 lens in this same venue, you're going to have a hard time.
Agreed


<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14347024#post14347024 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by jwedehase
As for settings, I am forced into ISO 1600. That's just the way it goes.
The f/4 IS would be forced into ISO 3200! Yikes

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14347024#post14347024 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by jwedehase

What amazes me is how evenly and smoothly this L lens pulled light out of the shadows. In the 4th shot, the singer with the vest and the blue and red lights... the fact that I can see into the area around his throat, and especially his back arm.... I've never had that before. Typically, those are sacrificed into the mud for the rest of the shot.
I have a very similar testimony with my own 70-200 f/2.8 IS (which is a super duper great lens) and the 50mm f/1.4 (which is a great lens).

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14349400#post14349400 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by JeffReef

Do you find the 70-200mm 2.8 IS intermittently hunts when not all of the AF points are in use? My 70-200 lens does this with my 20D for some reason. I've tested this lens on 30D and 40D without a problem.
It totally depends on the conditions. 99.9% of the time no, I don't notice this. That .1 percent of the time where the light is so poor that there just isn't enough contrast to give the auto focus sensor anything to actually see, this will occur. The auto focus sensor is in the camera itself. While the lens plays a huge roll, different cameras (and there for different auto focus sensors) will behave differently on a case by case basis. The 1DmkIII with 70-200 f/2.8 IS for example could focus in conditions where my 40D with the same lens cannot. The 1DmkIII will also in turn focus more accurately (especially in AI Servo) even in "good" conditions.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14349683#post14349683 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by TitusvileSurfer

It totally depends on the conditions. 99.9% of the time no, I don't notice this. That .1 percent of the time where the light is so poor that there just isn't enough contrast to give the auto focus sensor anything to actually see, this will occur. The auto focus sensor is in the camera itself. While the lens plays a huge roll, different cameras (and there for different auto focus sensors) will behave differently on a case by case basis. The 1DmkIII with 70-200 f/2.8 IS for example could focus in conditions where my 40D with the same lens cannot. The 1DmkIII will also in turn focus more accurately (especially in AI Servo) even in "good" conditions.

Yeah - I had a 1D and that camera could focus faster than Flash Gordon. :D

This "hunting" happened twice - once at Squaw Valley during a bright, cold day and once during a cold, overcast afternoon. I'm thinking that the weather was too cold for the lens to work properly. It may also be a compatibility issue - that my 20D is older than the lens. Or maybe the battery was draining too fast - who knows?

What puzzled me was that after I changed lens from Canon 70-200mm to Sigma 50-150mm, the problem was gone - no hunting whatsoever and I was even shooting on burst mode.
 
Well I don't want to clog the OP's excellent image thread, so I'm not going to post off topic any more after this (PM me or make a new thread and we can talk further there). Make sure your C. FnIII_1 (lens drive when AF impossible) is turned on. If your lens needs to focus to say...5 feet but it is set to 50 feet, the camera may not pull enough contrast to pull a fitting exposure and just give up. Your contacts in the lens may be dirty as well. Any number of reasons could cause this, but assuming all of your settings are right, it shouldn't happen.
 
Excellent shots. I had no idea the 2.8 could get those results. Very clean given the ISO 1600 too. When I saw the title I was expecting to see the 135L.
 
I always like the challenge of sneaking the camera in to the concert lol. I bought a 50mm 1.8f Nikkor just for this purpose haahaa. No zoom but a nice fast lens, cheap too!

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