OT: (on topic?) Go paperless!

dublo8

dublo8

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I'm not a huge green guy (not jolly green giant or incredible hulk) in terms of saving the environment, but I like to think I do my part. I recycle everything I can, I get mad when the wife throws paper in the wrong bin, I conserve energy, I even got rid of my nice big 4 door supercharged tundra for a Nissan sentra (granted it's an SER, hey I had to have a little fun). Despite all that I was sent an email from capitol one (my CC) today that had a link to payitgreen.com I read that if 1 in 5 households went completely paperless (as far as bills go) we'd save 150 million pounds of paper, saving 1.8 million tree. We'd avoid filling 6,141 garbage trucks, saving 102,945,600 gallons of fuel. We'd avoid producing almost 4 billion pounds of greenhouse gas emissions.

Holy ****! that's a lot. Since were all about conserving the environment and natural reefs, why don't we all go paperless? I do this with all my bills anyways, it makes it easier and less stuff to lose, I can just file it in a folder and mark a recurring date in my calender for due dates. I also due this so the wife doesn't see the credit card bill LOL. Almost, every company out there has this and I think we can all benefit. Plus, if you really need that copy you can just print it. Just thought I would help to do my part.
 
I cry a little inside everytime I throw an unopened bill in the recycle bin....such a waste. I am paperless on all but2 bills my husband handles, and odley enough just asked him this weekend if he could check on going paperless on them.
Another terrible waste I hate to see is phonebooks...does anyone use these anymore?

On a cool note, u can get magazine subscriptions sent to ur e reader, which I love, noting to stack around ur house or toss out!
 
I completely agree that going paperless is a great no hassle green way to pay your bills. It does bother me a bit though when a business pushes me to be green/responsible when doing so saves them money. Yet the same business has no problem stuffing extra paper coupons and other junk in with my paper bill. It just shows that they are not green/responsible at all, they are just using the “green” term to try and get you to do something to save them money. Just like when you go to a hotel and they ask you to reuse the towels because they are going green, then you look at the light fixture and it has an incandescent bulb in it. I have no issue still doing the green/responsible thing and doing paperless billing and reusing my towels. I just hate that the word green its used as a tool to increase business profits when that company is not acting green/responsible.

Uber is right, there should be a list you can get on to opt out of the phone book delivery. Every time one shows up at my door I walk it straight to the recycle can, it’s a shame.

This thread reminds me that the Green Thread could use an annual bump, off to search for it.
 
Paper is a renewable resource. Going paperless also puts thousands of loggers and mill workers out of jobs. In the bank I work for, telling everyone to go green is mostly about cost savings and profits for the company.
 
It’s not renewable if we are cutting down more trees than nature can replace, which is what we are doing at a staggering rate. I think if you look at the definition of renewable resources on Wikipedia paper/trees do not fall into the renewal resources category. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renewable_resource While I can respect your point about people losing their jobs if we always think with that mindset we will never move forward. With innovation comes job loss and job production, usually in different areas though. Your argument is similar to saying we should not recycle because the trash man may lose his job, IMO.
 
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No one cried about the demise of the buggy whip except for the manufacturers of buggy whips. Such is progress.

If my statistics are correct, most of the paper we use in this country comes from companies like Weyerhauser (apologies if that's not spelled right), which generally practice sustainable logging, i.e. planting trees and letting them grow while moving on to another patch of land and logging it. Now, we should consider the staggering energy costs to get those trees out of the ground and into my bank statement, but that's a little harder to quantify than "dang a phone book is a giant waste of paper!" :)
 
Its always sad to hear about the loss of jobs, but i'm more concerned about the well being of our planet. I was watching a documentary a couple years ago and the amount of oxygen on our planet has diminished considerably over the decades, probably do to our "innovations". but then again we cant live like cavemen forever....living now a days comes with a cost. But i think there should be more research and care taken to preserve our planet. Tree hugger, i know...
 
I cannot speak for the rest of the world and what they are cutting down. What loggers cut down in THIS country is replanted. That makes it renewable. Want to cut down on deforestation? Then stop population growth. You can do everything you can for this or that, but it is population that drives everything. More water, more land for food, more I have to have this piece of crap. Everything has it's tradeoffs. And then you have the masses that keep electing people that want to dismantle any environmental laws that have been put into place the last 50 years. Go Green the leaders cry, yet the US doesn't want to cooperate with the rest of the world because it would...cost business money! Individuals doing their part is great, but until you get policy changes, nothing major is going to happen
 
Yes the phone book thing has always ticked menoff. I use to get a new one every 2 months when I lived in Chandler. Now in Mesa I haven't seen one in over a year. My renter in Chandler also commented on this large amount of phone books. I agree with Ryan on the renewable resource thing. I know we replant these trees but they don't grow fast enough to keep up with demand. On a side note we regrow these trees with chemicals to increase growth which in turn weakens the trees over time and also produces less overall pulp to make paper. (if your interested i wrote a paper on it in highschool)Loggers know there industry is fading, it's been like this for decades. My grandfather was a logger and talked about this all the time. It's a skilled trade but we are depleting the O2 by depleting the trees. This planet is too over populated and saturated with humans for it to continue in it's current direction. Think about the kids man!!!!


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I went paperless like a year ago with my one and only bill to AT&T... Trying to get my mom to pay over the comp but all she knows how to do is Facebook -___-
 
It's all about the money$$$$$$$$$$ we wouldn't have to cut down a single tree ever again, if we were allowed to legally grow hemp!!!!! But if we grow hemp all of the potheads will cut it down and smoke it, oh wait there's no thc in hemp!!! Our government tells us to go green that's the biggest joke ever!! How about we stop the production of; plastic, paper and how about oil. Imagine the job losses, but how so beneficial for our environment!! Sorry for the rant, but when it comes down to it we won't be able to save our planet at the rate we are destroying it!
 
Rippingrags I think your on to something here. Plastic can also be made by plants, oil can be replaced my ethanol, paper is slowly being replaced by technology. I think there is an evolution coming, that will require people to rethink their careers. The problem is people are stubborn and hard headed so they stick with what's comfortable instead of taking a gamble. Just like how oil company's won't invest in ethanol or slternatives like they should since they are unsure it will make them fat wads of cash or not. It can't be done overnight and these "new" forms of energy need to start being implemented more than they are now.


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dublo8 said:
Rippingrags I think your on to something here. Plastic can also be made by plants, oil can be replaced my ethanol, paper is slowly being replaced by technology. I think there is an evolution coming, that will require people to rethink their careers. The problem is people are stubborn and hard headed so they stick with what's comfortable instead of taking a gamble. Just like how oil company's won't invest in ethanol or slternatives like they should since they are unsure it will make them fat wads of cash or not. It can't be done overnight and these "new" forms of energy need to start being implemented more than they are now.


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And we can cut down all of those nasty trees that are in the way of growing hemp and other plants we can turn into something productive. Not to mention to deforest to allow giant solar collectors and algae farms for energy. I know, let's have a combination of Solent Green and Logan's Run, by hunting old people and turning them into food(by the way, I am old by most standards). :bounce2:

Sorry, all the comments are more to make people feel better about themselves, but really won't have that large of an impact in the grand scheme of things. Going green is noble, but man is still going to destroy the planet. One statistic that I found on the web, one supporting recycling paper, states that about 90% of underdeveloped nation deforestation is due to clear cutting for farm land and fuel. I am sure this will be flamed, but hey the internet is electronic (didn't look it up in a book)

And one last final note, I refuse to blow my nose into a Kindle. :wildone:
 
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Sorry, all the comments are more to make people feel better about themselves, but really won't have that large of an impact in the grand scheme of things. Going green is noble, but man is still going to destroy the planet. One statistic that I found on the web, one supporting recycling paper, states that about 90% of underdeveloped nation deforestation is due to clear cutting for farm land and fuel. I am sure this will be flamed, but hey the internet is electronic (didn't look it up in a book)

And one last final note, I refuse to blow my nose into a Kindle. :wildone:
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While I do agree that in the end man will destroy this planet I refuse to throw my hands up and turn my back on the planet like most people do. Your basically saying it's going to happen so I'm not going to try to do anything to stop it or slow it down. If that's your mindset then your part of the problem not the solution IMO. I would rather try in vein than fall in line and accept whats coming our way. Do people forget that they have children, grandchildren, and someday great grandchildren? Do you not care what they are left with? I don't even have kids yet but it's very easy for me to see that I want to leave something behind for them beside a mess of problems that their parents and grandparents created for them. People always talk about planning for their child's future by saving for college. Your child will be fine without college, but not with the environmental issues we are creating for them. It's so easy to be responsible(green), I don't know why people act as if they are being asked to go get castrated. I will TRY to leave this thread alone now as I feel I have taken it off topic, this is hot topic for me so I try not to offend or argue too much. :rollface:
 
I do not believe she is saying to do nothing, but instead we need to take much more drastic measures. Recycling is great and I'm all for it, but bigger moves to actually help our planet will need to be implemented. I am with you in needing to change things to better benefit the future, but baby making needs to slow down:love2:Which brings me back to my point about drastic measures; we could regulate family size, stop drilling for oil, stop drilling for natural gas, legalize hemp and the list goes on... Obviously these drastic measures are not realistic as far as happening any time soon, but when will they?
 
Just a forewarning, I'll admit I haven't read this thread too closely but remember to keep mentions of politics out of it and try to remain civil. Just a warning as many threads like this tend to bite the dust after a while when people can't agree with each other. :)

NaClH20NMYVEIN said:
Uber is right, there should be a list you can get on to opt out of the phone book delivery. Every time one shows up at my door I walk it straight to the recycle can, it's a shame.
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Actually you should be able to. I haven't looked into this too deeply but a quick google search turned up this :).

http://www.ypassociation.org/AM/Tem...nmental1&Template=/CustomSource/ZipSearch.cfm
 
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