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piberoptikz
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wetWolger
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I am a digital photographer (cannon 10d and sony f717). I submit a lot of work to www.dpchallenge.com. Infact the last photo i submited was in BW. I am always down to go take photos with someone 
Mr.Lizard
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I run a pair of Canon AE-1 Programs- both with motor drives....multiple lenses and Sunpak Auto Thyristor flash. I have the two so I can run a couple film speeds, or my favorite is one with color and the other B&W. I used to do a lot of photo contests and such, but I've been kinda out of it for a while. We had a mini-dark room at home when I was a kid and we developed our own Cibachrome enlargements, and I've done start to finish B&W Tri-X in bulk....I keep telling myself I'm going to get back into it, but just haven't!
As for digital, I don't think the medium has resolution as good as film just yet, and I think it takes a lot of the art and feel out of photography....It's just too easy to PhotoShop your way around poor skills IMO. (Yes- I have a digital, too- 3.3 megapixel Vivitar)
As for digital, I don't think the medium has resolution as good as film just yet, and I think it takes a lot of the art and feel out of photography....It's just too easy to PhotoShop your way around poor skills IMO. (Yes- I have a digital, too- 3.3 megapixel Vivitar)
wetWolger
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I think most photographers would disagree with you on this. The resolution thing is just a matter of price. If you purchased a cannon 5D I think you would find the resolution/noise is low enough to put your film camera to shame. The only time I think you can justify this cause is if your blowing up the photo VERY large. But even than I would rather use digital. I am not trying to take a jab at you or anything, just my opinion. This used to be true but modern DSLR professional quality cameras do not suffer from this IMO.
So for the photoshoping your right, that is one reason why I like dpchallenge.com is because they have strict rules on how you can edit your photo. And these rules are inforced very strictly. Basicly for most challenges all you can do is colour adjustments and sharpeing, and it must be done uniformly to the whole image.
If you want to see some full resolution examples from my 10D just send me a PM. My 10D is 6.3MP (so not quite as much as the 5D) and has a smaller CCD than the 5D (so more noise). But I think you will still find it gives film a run for its money. Also these images would be unedited straight from the camera.
MBX5
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As jent46bow said for large prints that would be the only way I would still use film. I have a 2 1/4 and a large format that I haven't used in like 3 years LOL. I do miss getting in the dark room for B/W but it is just too much time and money for me to set it up again. So that to just sits and collects dust. Oh well my Nikon D100 takes great pics even at 20x30. I had 2 pics made that size for my house and you cant even tell they are digi 
wetWolger
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just for fun here are three pics taken with the 10D.
and here are the links to the full resolution of the images....The photo of my dog was taken at 400 iso so it is pretty darn noisy....the girl was taken at 200 iso so it is noiser than it can be. And the zoas were taken at 100 iso. So you can see that there is a big diffrence in noise for each iso. The 5D has a lot bigger CCD than my 10D so it would have FAR less noise. Plus the resolution is even larger on the 5D. Bellow are full photo stats before the link:
1/180 Sec at F2.8 ISO 400
http://pixpipeline.com/dl/c7d65995f439.jpg
1/250 Sec at F6.7 ISO 200
http://pixpipeline.com/dl/11322fa79a3b.jpg
1/4 Sec at F6.7 ISO 100
http://pixpipeline.com/dl/af81b09b40d.jpg
p.s. the camera can go up to 1600 ISO but it is so noisy at that point I never use it...800 is the highest I have ever gone and that is very very rare.
and here are the links to the full resolution of the images....The photo of my dog was taken at 400 iso so it is pretty darn noisy....the girl was taken at 200 iso so it is noiser than it can be. And the zoas were taken at 100 iso. So you can see that there is a big diffrence in noise for each iso. The 5D has a lot bigger CCD than my 10D so it would have FAR less noise. Plus the resolution is even larger on the 5D. Bellow are full photo stats before the link:
1/180 Sec at F2.8 ISO 400
http://pixpipeline.com/dl/c7d65995f439.jpg
1/250 Sec at F6.7 ISO 200
http://pixpipeline.com/dl/11322fa79a3b.jpg
1/4 Sec at F6.7 ISO 100
http://pixpipeline.com/dl/af81b09b40d.jpg
p.s. the camera can go up to 1600 ISO but it is so noisy at that point I never use it...800 is the highest I have ever gone and that is very very rare.
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tgillespie
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Its a shame Canon can't fix their purple fringing. Has been in their digital cameras since the day they started.
wetWolger
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I know....that canon in the photo really emphisizes it more than I have ever seen before. Not the best photo to show quality but it was easy and quick and i wanted a photo for every iso. IME I have never had a noticable problem with the purple frindgin that was even noticable without blowing up the photo (except that photo).
Spider_Whistle
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It will be a long time before digital will win the battle. The day when mere mortals will be able to afford something digital that tops the quality of large format is the day when digital wins (I don't doubt that it will happen eventually). Last time I Checked, a digital back for my RB67 was around $15,000, and that's only medium format. Photoshop is a thing of beauty, but digital capture still leaves a lot to be desired in my book. Digital has definitely gotten better, though it still has nowhere the latitude of film or the sharpness. Digital is cool, I use my DSLR all the time, but when it comes to fine art and downright quality there's still only one choice for me. By and large, I think fine art photographers would probably agree with me, while fashion, commercial, and photo journalists would not. There's this local photo retailer who has been telling me for years about how amazing digital is and how you can go 20x30 from a 5mp compact without even noticing it's digital. Try that next to the same image printed from a 6x7, 4x5 or 8x10 negative and say there's no difference. And resolution aside, there's just something about the quality of light in film that digital hasn't figured out yet, I can't describe it better than that, but it's definitely there.
Note for anyone who is interested, check this guy's site out, he has some amazing work. He shoots a Pentax 67 then scans and finishes them up digitally.
http://www.nickbrandt.com/
So yeah Brandon, to answer your inital question, I would be one of those people. I don't shoot 35mm much anymore, but I shoot a ton of black and white in other formats.
Cheers~
Eric
Note for anyone who is interested, check this guy's site out, he has some amazing work. He shoots a Pentax 67 then scans and finishes them up digitally.
http://www.nickbrandt.com/
So yeah Brandon, to answer your inital question, I would be one of those people. I don't shoot 35mm much anymore, but I shoot a ton of black and white in other formats.
Cheers~
Eric
Spider_Whistle
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Hey MBX5, wanna trade your view camera for some reef gear?
burkleman
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Wow it is great to see there are others out there. I am actually thinking of buying a new digital camera. The one I have now is a canon A40 that I bout about 5 years ago before I really new anything about photography. Now I am thinking about either the canon 20D, 30D, or the rebel XT. Not sure which would work best for me yet though.
Brandon
Brandon
Spider_Whistle
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Canon's definitely a good choice, they seem to be putting their all into digital. I chose Minolta since I already had the lenses, a poor choice in hindsight, as they are now part of Sony. =/
jent: Yeah, the next gen of CCD sensors aught to be pretty impressive, I can't wait to see what they can do!
jent: Yeah, the next gen of CCD sensors aught to be pretty impressive, I can't wait to see what they can do!
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26bowfront
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I am currently studying photography and eventually plan to make it my profession. I do a lot of B&W work, right now all 35mm (cant afford a good digital yet). I agree with Mr. Lizard that digital isn't as enjoyable as working in a darkroom, that's just how I feel though. Digital is making huge progress and it wont be too long before traditional photographt is a thing of the past, Kodak is already shutting down production of B&W paper.
djmod45
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I would have to agree...there is something special about developing your own film in a dark room. But, being the computer dork I am (and utilizing photoshop CS for my photography and graphic design) the sky is the limit with image editing. Personally...if money wasn't an option at first I think digital is the way to go just on the money you will save on film over the next few years.
rmougey
Chair, MACNA 2014
The new breed of digital cameras have equaled or eclipsed film, but these are DSLRs, not the point and shoot cameras. Once you get above 8 megapixels, the argument against enlargements goes away.
A couple of things folks miss when discussing digital:
- Lenses are important. The Canon IS (image stabilized) lenses are fantastic
- If you travel, you no longer need to worry about the new TSA machines blurring your film with powerful x-rays
- If you shoot in limited environments (like scuba diving), you no longer are limited to 36 shots on a dive
- The amount of strobe power you need is reduced, thereby lightening that total weight of the camera
- You can download your pictures to an iPod or laptop, which will pay for itself in the savings you'll receive from no longer buying film
- Digital helps improve your technique by immediately being able to see the results and tweaking your settings to obtain a better exposure
- Immediate viewing means fewer lost shots when you are away from home or depending on what's in the camera. Isn't it sad to get home and realize that there was a problem with your settings, the environment or the film that prevented you from capturing that amazing thing you saw in Timbuktu?
A very good friend of mine who is a professional photographer, publishing many reef fish ID books, just went digital. He is the proud owner of a Canon 5D, a mere 12 megapixel beauty.
Sure it's different.... but that's the wonder of photography. There is something for everyone. And digital photography elicits the same response from purists that digital audio did several yeas ago. Most folks have CD and DVD players, but there are still a few who won't give up their Linn-Sondek turntable. There is room for everyone. ;-)
And yes, I love my RebelXT and it's IS USM lenses.
-Rob
A couple of things folks miss when discussing digital:
- Lenses are important. The Canon IS (image stabilized) lenses are fantastic
- If you travel, you no longer need to worry about the new TSA machines blurring your film with powerful x-rays
- If you shoot in limited environments (like scuba diving), you no longer are limited to 36 shots on a dive
- The amount of strobe power you need is reduced, thereby lightening that total weight of the camera
- You can download your pictures to an iPod or laptop, which will pay for itself in the savings you'll receive from no longer buying film
- Digital helps improve your technique by immediately being able to see the results and tweaking your settings to obtain a better exposure
- Immediate viewing means fewer lost shots when you are away from home or depending on what's in the camera. Isn't it sad to get home and realize that there was a problem with your settings, the environment or the film that prevented you from capturing that amazing thing you saw in Timbuktu?
A very good friend of mine who is a professional photographer, publishing many reef fish ID books, just went digital. He is the proud owner of a Canon 5D, a mere 12 megapixel beauty.
Sure it's different.... but that's the wonder of photography. There is something for everyone. And digital photography elicits the same response from purists that digital audio did several yeas ago. Most folks have CD and DVD players, but there are still a few who won't give up their Linn-Sondek turntable. There is room for everyone. ;-)
And yes, I love my RebelXT and it's IS USM lenses.
-Rob
Spider_Whistle
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Those are all convenience issuses, not matters of quality, handy as they may be. Glass is the single most important part of any camera, but why should someone have to buy a $900 lens to get as good an image with a DSLR as a $150 lens can produce with film (as has been the case with my Maxxum and countless other people's pre digital glass)? I guess digital can be thanked for the price drop in film equipment at least. Last week I bought a Mamiya lens for $220 that would have cost well over $1500 a few years ago. Then once I win the Powerball I can get a digital back to go with it, and I'll be in business! :lol:
"Once you get above 8 megapixels, the argument against enlargements goes away."
Let's compare a print from a 4x5 negative with one fron an 8+ MP digi and see.
"Once you get above 8 megapixels, the argument against enlargements goes away."
Let's compare a print from a 4x5 negative with one fron an 8+ MP digi and see.
Any one of you photo experts interested in doing some photo freelance work? I have a bunch of computer equipment at my home that I want to take pictures of so that I can add to my website in a similar manner as:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811128007
Click on the image viewer link.
I guess I need about 4-5 high quality images of 6-8 pieces of computer equipment. Full color. Prefer pictures to be taken at my location so I don't have to lug all my computer stuff around, but can be flexible if there are significant benefits to taking pics somewhere else.
Please respond with pricing (i.e hourly rate or for project based).
Thanks.
Jeff
ZenMan
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811128007
Click on the image viewer link.
I guess I need about 4-5 high quality images of 6-8 pieces of computer equipment. Full color. Prefer pictures to be taken at my location so I don't have to lug all my computer stuff around, but can be flexible if there are significant benefits to taking pics somewhere else.
Please respond with pricing (i.e hourly rate or for project based).
Thanks.
Jeff
ZenMan
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