Otohime news
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I'm currently using Otohime to raise silversides in a research lab. The A is used to suppment newly hatched brine shimp for the larvae. The growth and survival has been impressive for larval fish rearing, even the experimental batches that typically do poorly are doing well. B2 is used for the juvenilles and C1 and C2 for the adults, with adult brine and mysis shrimp also. Now these guys being silversides don't have any color, so I can't make any comments on that aspect. However, I think simply adding some asthaxantine and/or CE will do the trick nicely.
Luis A M
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Time for un update
Even if the test will go on until market size,results at 66 days old are clearly showing that Otohime fed fish grow much faster than fish fed the control diet.
But colour is poor,particularly the reds in tomatos.This matches the findings of a Japanese breeder who solved the problem adding CE to the diet.
But Ed had different results regarding colour
Even if the test will go on until market size,results at 66 days old are clearly showing that Otohime fed fish grow much faster than fish fed the control diet.
But colour is poor,particularly the reds in tomatos.This matches the findings of a Japanese breeder who solved the problem adding CE to the diet.
But Ed had different results regarding colour
David M
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Not to distract the thread but this is sort of on topic 3 weeks ago I took 25 ocellaris to a lfs. They do NOT feed CE, I think they mostly feed Spectrum but I'll have to double check. Anyway I had taken them 25 of the biggest from a certain hatch. Then yesterday I took 25 more, again the largest from that same hatch. They still have 6/8 from last time. The owner and I were both stunned, the new fish I took are twice the size of the ones that have been at the store, which were the largest when I pulled them. Worse yet, they had faded to almost yellow while the new ones I brought are nearly red. I begged him to get CE at least for store use even if they don't want to sell it. 
3 weeks ago I took 25 ocellaris to a lfs. They do NOT feed CE, I think they mostly feed Spectrum but I'll have to double check. Anyway I had taken them 25 of the biggest from a certain hatch. Then yesterday I took 25 more, again the largest from that same hatch. They still have 6/8 from last time. The owner and I were both stunned, the new fish I took are twice the size of the ones that have been at the store, which were the largest when I pulled them. Worse yet, they had faded to almost yellow while the new ones I brought are nearly red. I begged him to get CE at least for store use even if they don't want to sell it. clownfish75
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HI all
I just discovered that i can obtain otohime in australia (always thought it was unavaliable) but it is $60 for 2kg for B1-C2 and $80/kg for the A.
I currently use a mix of INVE aquaculture granular feeds, a mix of my own very high in astaxanthin, and recently added some Cyclopeeze (freeze dried, i assume this is what CE is?).
Is the general concensus that this otohime stuff is really worth it? is it that different? INVE makes some very top of the line rotifer enrichments, hatch controllers for bacteri ain artemia cultures etc, so i asusm eit couldnt possibly be that far behind.
Does anyone have any good surgestions on what a good m ix might be? i could also try an experiment if people want this foods to be compared? What size otohime should i get considering for the price of the A i think i will stick with what i have but for juvs which one should i use on clowns?
THanks
Christian
I just discovered that i can obtain otohime in australia (always thought it was unavaliable) but it is $60 for 2kg for B1-C2 and $80/kg for the A.
I currently use a mix of INVE aquaculture granular feeds, a mix of my own very high in astaxanthin, and recently added some Cyclopeeze (freeze dried, i assume this is what CE is?).
Is the general concensus that this otohime stuff is really worth it? is it that different? INVE makes some very top of the line rotifer enrichments, hatch controllers for bacteri ain artemia cultures etc, so i asusm eit couldnt possibly be that far behind.
Does anyone have any good surgestions on what a good m ix might be? i could also try an experiment if people want this foods to be compared? What size otohime should i get considering for the price of the A i think i will stick with what i have but for juvs which one should i use on clowns?
THanks
Christian
clownfish75
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May i also surgest in line with the excelent work that luis has done, perhaps we could all organise ourselves as a group to try a variety of feeds in a controlled experiment to see if we can produce a larger quantitiy of meaninful data?
Is this an idea all of us would be keen on?
Christian
Is this an idea all of us would be keen on?
Christian
I am using A for two weeks over lapping live food on the early end, and B1 on the late end. Bi until the end of the first month then B2 until they are big enough for C1 and cyclopeeze freeze dried throughout to give them a nicer color. I am going to try the frozen cyclopeeze for the last week or two to see if I get a color boost.
How does one use Naturose? It is such a fine powder, that I am afraid it will not get eaten.
Also, does it go bad with time? Someone who used to be a breeder gave me some that is years old, and I am afraid to try it.
How does one use Naturose? It is such a fine powder, that I am afraid it will not get eaten.
Also, does it go bad with time? Someone who used to be a breeder gave me some that is years old, and I am afraid to try it.
I am using A for two weeks over lapping live food on the early end, and B1 on the late end. Bi until the end of the first month then B2 until they are big enough for C1 and cyclopeeze freeze dried throughout to give them a nicer color. I am going to try the frozen cyclopeeze for the last week or two to see if I get a color boost.
How does one use Naturose? It is such a fine powder, that I am afraid it will not get eaten.
Also, does it go bad with time? Someone who used to be a breeder gave me some that is years old, and I am afraid to try it.
How does one use Naturose? It is such a fine powder, that I am afraid it will not get eaten.
Also, does it go bad with time? Someone who used to be a breeder gave me some that is years old, and I am afraid to try it.
ediaz
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You don't really need to color the fish up during the first months before selling them, a few weeks before selling you can start on cyclopeeze or whatever you use, they will color up.
I don't see any diff with frozen or dry cyclo besides price.
You are supposed to mix the naturose with the food but I doubt it will stick to it and it will wash away in the water, I think otohime will have to incorporate it in the mix, Ziegler in the other hand is prepared with the color enhancer by them and the food is kind of moist it looks like it has some kind of "oil" or something.
I think for the home breeder using cyclo or any other color enhancing food is better, prepared commecial foods should be left for hatcheries raising thousands of fish and will benefit from such diets hence the size of the packages.
If you want to add it to the brood stock diet it will work, but feeding juvies this is very expensive.
Ed
I don't see any diff with frozen or dry cyclo besides price.
You are supposed to mix the naturose with the food but I doubt it will stick to it and it will wash away in the water, I think otohime will have to incorporate it in the mix, Ziegler in the other hand is prepared with the color enhancer by them and the food is kind of moist it looks like it has some kind of "oil" or something.
I think for the home breeder using cyclo or any other color enhancing food is better, prepared commecial foods should be left for hatcheries raising thousands of fish and will benefit from such diets hence the size of the packages.
If you want to add it to the brood stock diet it will work, but feeding juvies this is very expensive.
Ed
Luis A M
Premium Member
Now you certainly can<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7742723#post7742723 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by GreshamH
It's all right here
http://www.reed-mariculture.com/otohime/details.asp
I'll consult with the manufacturer, maybe they can create a mix more suited for color.
Though I doubt they will modify their formula intended for food fish
But it is a simple matter to have them,or you,or us to topdress the finished product with Naturose.
Luis A M
Premium Member
And a top-dressed Otohime will be simpler and cheaper than supplementing with CE!.<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8047156#post8047156 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Luis A M
Now you certainly can
Though I doubt they will modify their formula intended for food fish
But it is a simple matter to have them,or you,or us to top-dress the finished product with Naturose.
I once ran an experiment feeding non top-dressed Zeigler food vs lyophilized CE.Growth was much better with Zeigler.Colour was bad,but it was improved with two weeks of CE.
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