Our 450g reef, 360g predator tanks

Yeah, it was a sad day here. Our six year old daughter has had a rough time with pets lately. She had a pet duck that got out of it's pen and the dogs were outside...... It wasn't pretty..... That happened about 3 weeks ago.
 
Sorry to hear of your troubles T. My wife won't allow horses cause "They're too cute"

But happy to hear that all else seems well, good to see ya.
 
Good to see you too, Bax!

I got the wiring figured out for the optical level sensors and verified how they work. Then I tore it all apart and we soldered on extensions for the wire. I stopped at Lowes on the way home to do some brain storming on how to mount these into the sump tub without drilling more holes. It's not leaking and everything is working great so I really want to leave the tub as is.

I found some good things to build a contraption that will sit on top of the tub and I can hang pipe hangers from the contraption and let those hang down into the water. I can zip tie the optical sensors onto the pipe hangers. The sensors can easily be adjusted for height that way too.

I'll take pics of it as I'm building it. Tonight was just soldering extension wires onto the sensors and sealing them with rubber shrink tubes. Nothing to really see.

I'm also going to connect in a couple magnetic float switches as backups. I already have them so I might as well put them to use.
 
Thanks Ziggy. We also lost our 7" clown trigger the other day. I'm pretty sure it was the undulated that got him. The undulated is only about 4" and he hangs out in and close to the rocks. I think he was munching on the clown during the night when the clown went into the rocks to sleep.


I've been agonizing over a solid ATO for our system. The problem with magnetic float switches is the water level in the 150g sump tub. The water level in that tub fluctuates as much as 10" when I turn off the pumps to feed. They keep getting wet and stop working. Anyway, I've been researching other alternatives to the magnetic float switches. I've ordered in a few of these and I'm going to give them a try. I can very easily hook these into my controller hardware and read the water level in the sump from brimming full, to empty. If everything works like I think it will, I can use it to control automatic WC's too by detecting when the drain pump has drained the sump down to a certain level. This sensor can detect differences down to 1/2". That should be accurate enough for all sorts of functions. I'll also mount one over the 150g mixing tub so I'll know when it's close to empty too.

http://www.maxbotix.com/Performance_Data.html

Does anyone have any experience with ultrasonic level sensors? I mean, for $30 bucks, I just have to give it a try. :D
 
Ugh! I hate to hear that about your clown!

I guess that's what make triggers triggers though?

I have a pile of pumps and floats I have been meaning to put together to controll refill of the ATO res and WCs. I use a Chem feed pump for ATO and I swear by it. Steady as a rock!

I don't have a good enough controller though to manage all that.

... No matter, it's all still just a pile of stuff right now :)
 
Jonathan, I have two of the optical sensors and I think they'd work great if I was willing to drill the sump and install them through the wall so they wouldn't get wet. I might still end up doing that if the ultrasonic doesn't work perfectly. I am planning on having a magnetic float switch mounted towards the top with the contacts above where the water could reach, just as a disaster detection backup. :D

Bax, it takes a bunch of work in order to save a bunch of work down the road. I don't regret all the semi-automatted work I've done. Now it's time to take it just a bit further. I want to make a WC as simple as clicking a button on the PC in my controller program. :D
 
We got the ultrasonic hooked up and mounted. Here is a sample of the readings from it with the aquarium water running normally. These distance readings are the measurement from the sensor to the surface of the water. Later during a WC, you can see the water level rising because the distance from the sensor to the water gets closer.

Distance reading: 9.53046875 inches
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I did a water change starting about here. I turn off both return pumps and the water level in the sump rises a couple of inches until the water stops draining from the aquariums and the drain pump finally catches up and drains the sump.

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I turned off the drain pump here and turned on the refill pump from the new saltwater barrel.

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The sump is full and both return pumps are running at this point.

So far, this might be the best $30 I ever spent! :lol:

Here are some pics of this gem.

As you can see, it's less than an inch square.
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We mounted it under a pvc cross and the pipe extends out across all four sides of the sump which is a 150g rubber maid tub.
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This weekend I'm going to take it off and mount it inside an electric junction box and seal it in there with silicone to protect it. So this mount is very temporary.
 
:lol:

I know, I know. But it works fantastic! In the last two hours, after the WC, all the readings are within 1/10 of an inch of each other. I can use this single device to control WC's too. I'll be able to detect when the sump is empty, automatically turn off the drain pump, start the refill pump and turn it off when the sump is full. Of course, I'm still going to have a couple float switches towards the top of the sump for backup. I'll also build in timings for all the functions too.

I got the solenoid valves mounted and connected. I got the wires ran to the controller hardware. This weekend I'll hook everything up and activate the ATO function. I want to wait for the weekend so I can be here to monitor everything. :D
 
I cannot wait to see how it turns out. You are working on stuff I have been contemplating for quite some time.
 
I also have a calcium ion selective probe and a conductivity electrode on order from EasyMeters.

http://www.easymeters.com/

Hanna Instruments makes good stuff. I'll be able to actively monitor the calcium and salinity real time. I'll hook up the vacuum pumps for the b-ionic doser to my controller and control the dosing based on the calcium reading. I'll use the salinity reading as a backup to the backup for the ATO.

After I get those installed and up and working, I also want to add a nitrate ion selective probe and use that reading to control automatic WC's.
 
Yup, that is fantastic. I'd love to be able to do something like this, but alas, I lack the general geekiness that is required
 
Jonathan, the calcium probe that I ordered will need to be calibrate about once a month. It's designed for constant measurement. If has a tube that holds a reference fluid for it to be self calibrating. Basically, the maintenance on it is to clean it and refill the reference chamber.

Eric and Chris, it's been a LONG time in coming and a few failed experiments along the way but sooner or later, something is BOUND to work. :lol:
 
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