pairing a perc and a maroon... yep i know im crazy

Juk excue me I believe I may have mis-read you post in that you were not implying that I had no experience, but that may statment may be confusing to a newbie. My apologies.

In regards to the pairs well being, I no longer own any of the pairs however as far as I know they are doing well.

Colby
 
For example maroons and Ocellaris have similar body shapes and striping scheme
what are you huffing??
aside from having stripes and fins their shapes are not even remotely the same.
If you have had "several" pairs of these then why dont you breed them together and count the dollar bills as they roll in.
Just b/c the body shape and color match dont mean jack.
There was a member here that had a breeding tomato/ocellaris pair. and while we are at it lets not forget the pink skunk/chrysopterus pairing which produces the infamous white bonnet. yet again 2 fish that have nothing in common breeding together.
IMO such things are merely coinidences and no amount of prepping or planning will produce a happy couple.
If it were so easy to just throw to different sized fish together the hobby would be crawling with exotic clown hybrids, but it is not. For a newcomer to try this would most certainly mean the death of a fish.
 
Again Styktyh, you fail to miss my point.

Marrons and Ocellaris do indeed have similar body shapes, granted it is all relative. In my opinion however the overall body shape of and Ocellaris and Maroon clownfish are much more similar than that of a chrys and a sandaracinos. Ouward appearance does in fact play a large role. Lets use some investigatin skills here Stykthyn...

Clownfish do not look the way they do because some body thought they would look good in stripes. They evolved that way and each specie is best suited to fit the niche they inhabit. Along the way the clownfish were all specialized ans specieized by geographical isolation and natural selection. Clownfish that fit their environment evoloved to have certain mannerisms and appearances that are more likely to keep tem alive in the environment they live in. Knowing this it obvious to see that yes indeed physical appreance in clownfish does mean alot and can indeed play a large role in pairings such as this.

"There was a member here that had a breeding tomato/ocellaris pair. and while we are at it lets not forget the pink skunk/chrysopterus pairing which produces the infamous white bonnet. yet again 2 fish that have nothing in common breeding together.".....um no offense dude but ..duh..is this not virtually the same thing that I said? I pointed out that these two remotely different fish were capable of hybryidizing so thereore why not maroons and Ocellaris? Furthermore you apparently did not read or take into account what I said about the similar submission dance of the Oce/marron as that plays a large role in the success of this sort of pairing. Also have you ever considered other behavioral mannerisms that are similar between these guys? One glaringly obvious ine is that unlike clarks and tomatoes marroons and Ocellaris both seem to be homebodies stuck in their little rut. This is important as it will not cause one or the other mate to become upset with his/her partner and their absence from the nest.

"If you have had "several" pairs of these then why dont you breed them together and count the dollar bills as they roll in. "

BecauseI am not completely driven by money. Also, if one were to do a little market research they would find that these hybrids are as of now in fact not worth as much as you are boasting. There is a very limited market for this particular hybrid as many people find the unaapealing. Furthermore I am just now 18 and when I owned these pairs between the ages of 14-17 I was not necessarily in the position to raise offspring. At that time I discovered seahorses and started raising them, the babies anf juvies soon took over every tank I could have up. Therefore the novelty pairs of clownfish were evicted.

Once again I did not imly nor did I expressly say that we should just "throw to different sized fish together" and ope for a paring. I said use common sense and good observation. Play to the fish's natural tendencies and there is a much higher likelihood of success.

It all boils down to using your head, taking knowledge we already have and applying it along with some good observation.

Colby
 
so far so good last night the two were sleeping near each other but yet when i feed them the maroon shows dominance still over the perc. no biting though so thats def a plus and the perc doesnt have any scratches or anything on it.
 
Awesome akbuuur, sounds likw everything is going like it sould keep us updated on the pair, maybe you should breed them and then you will be filtyh rich lol...y

Colby
 
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Maroon vs. Ocellaris

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Chrys vs Sandaracinos

Assuming I posted the pics correctly you should be able to see my point.

Colby
 
haha im not planning on breeding them i just want to put both of them in my main display because my niece loves the "orange nemo", she already has"dory" and im gonna get "bubbles" soon too
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7566935#post7566935 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by akbuuur
haha im not planning on breeding them i just want to put both of them in my main display because my niece loves the "orange nemo", she already has"dory" and im gonna get "bubbles" soon too

Unfortunately it isn't as simple as all that. If the maroon doesn't accept the 'nemo' and the 'nemo' doesn't submit properly she may well kill it.
 
Of course Dan is right so IMO the best course of action would be to give the pair AT LEAST six months by themselves to make sure all is well. Then you could in some manner attempt to introduce other fish. However that could get a bit ticky as by then the pair will in all likelihood kill any and all tankmates. You could attempt to introduce them all to a new tank at once but there again is presents a possible problem. Female maroons have a tendancy to take out their anger on ther mates after a move and the little guy may not be able to take it. In this case I would suggest you do one of two things.

1. If you like the pair as is, leave them alone.

2. If you want the whole nemo thing going, either move the perc into "nemo" tank along with a new perc mate or simply (I say simply as if money grows on trees...:) ) keep the pair intact and purchase more clowns for the nemo themed tank, you can NEVER EVER have to many clownfish lol...

Good luck in whatever you decide...

Colby
 
>>IMO the best course of action would be to
>>give the pair AT LEAST six months

Rubbish. It will be obvious long before that whether or not this pairing will work-out.
 
>>Assuming I posted the pics correctly
>>you should be able to see my point.

Sorry, you'll have to spell it out for us, what exactly is your point?
 
>>Then you could in some manner attempt to introduce
>>other fish. However that could get a bit ticky
>>as by then the pair will in all likelihood kill any
>>and all tankmates.

I can't believe I'm reading this plap,,,, what ARE you talking about????

The maroon and the perc will kill any and all new fish?? What are you smoking???
 
Juck

Sure it could take years but six months is IN GENERAL in my experience long enough to see if the pair will work...

Juck, come on now, look at the pictures. But since you need it "spelled out" : clearly the maroon and Ocellaris bear more resemblance to each other than the sandaracinos and the chrys. do. If you use some common sense you will see that. Moreover the Maroon and Ocellaris have similar behavioral patterns making a successful longterm pairing between them more likely...get it?


"What ARE you talking about????"

How are you confused? I am simply stating that if someone were to put a new fish into a tank containing an established pair of clownfish, especially if the female is a maroon, more than likely the newcomer would not fair to well. Finally I also said that moving a pair is destabilizing and would in all likelihood result in the femal beating the crap out of the male therefore if akbuuur wishes to keep his pair as they are he should do exactly that, keep them as they are.

Colby
 
Juck have you ever owned a breeding female Premnas Biaculeatus? I would venture to say no given your attitude. From personal experience when my maroons decide to breed it is game over for the rest of the fish in the tank.

That is not to say that a spawning pair of maroons cannot be kept with tankemates but it would be essential that the tank be plenty large and aquascaped in such a manner as to provide a habitat that will help diminish hostility.

For the record Juck and Stykthyn I do not smoke nor do I huff.

Colby
 
in any case my marron and perc were sleepign right next to each other last night and there constantly together now
 
Akbuuur,
Awesome it sounds like all is going well and I would encourage you to try breeding them and raise the babies. I have personally never seen any hybrids between perc and Maroon, just Ocellaris and Maroon I am sure they will look cool. Keep us updated.

Colby
 
not sure if it really is a perc... i saw these babies at petco and the label said perc and no one ther knows anything about anything and in anycase it just depends if they decide to lay eggs
 
Hmm, well not to bash Petco or anything but several times I have seen Ocelaris labled as Perc s it is possible they are indeed Ocellaris...any chance you could get a pic up for us?

Colby
 
yea i was thinking that but its cool nah i dont have a digi camera but my bro does and hes comming over tommorow i introduced the two into the 92, im gonna get a big branch of frogspawn or hammer for the percularis to host in as hes not yet allowed into the big bubble tip
 
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