Pan world pumps (100px)

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Im throwing all sorts of ideas around in my head, and one of them involves moving my sump to my basement to speed my ultimate goal of turning my basement into a weight/prop room (since i am going to have prop tanks down there, why not also have my DT sump down their and tie them together?)

I have added it up, im looking at about 10 feet of horizontal pipe & 10 feet of vertical for return to the DT up stairs. Then i am looking at about 3 ft of return to the prop tank(s) downstairs with the sump.

In an effort to conserve energy, i am looking at the smallest return pump possible for this situation and i have narrowed in on either an Iwaki MDRLT 40 or a Pan world 100PX. Their is a substantial wattage difference between the two, with the pan world using the less...so i am leaning towards that pump.

Anyone have any input for me on this? How are the pan world pumps?
 
Also, how do i figure out how many watts a pump uses if its rated in amps (someone who knows ohms law please fill me in...its been YEARS)?
 
Dunno bout the pumps, but if it takes 10Amps@120volts=1200 watts. Goes the other way too, 3000watts/120volts=25Amps.
 
I've been vary happy with my PanWorlds. They've been reliable, quiet, and are one of the only brands I've used that run at less wattage (per kill-a-watt) than specification listed.

You're probably looking at 500-600gph, and I'd recommend a ball valve in case you want to adjust the flow. Mine is running at about 80-90w valved back slightly at about 12' head.

Looks like 120w or so max.

Flow chart:
http://www.panworldamericas.com/PX/60Hz/A3400325.pdf
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15520141#post15520141 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by andyrm66
Dunno bout the pumps, but if it takes 10Amps@120volts=1200 watts. Goes the other way too, 3000watts/120volts=25Amps.
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Thanks, i had the numbers all 'switcherooed' :)
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15522163#post15522163 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by RokleM
I've been vary happy with my PanWorlds. They've been reliable, quiet, and are one of the only brands I've used that run at less wattage (per kill-a-watt) than specification listed.

You're probably looking at 500-600gph, and I'd recommend a ball valve in case you want to adjust the flow. Mine is running at about 80-90w valved back slightly at about 12' head.

Looks like 120w or so max.

Flow chart:
http://www.panworldamericas.com/PX/60Hz/A3400325.pdf
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Thanks, i forgot that i have a PCX-40 in my basement. Thats rated @ 22 ft head, 1190 gph, and pulls 1.2 amps. So applying andyrm's logic above that pulls 144 watts.

I must have really been day dreaming yesterday to forget about this pump...i just traded for it a few months back lol.
 
I purchased a llightly used Panworld NH-150PS in anticipation of my next build which will also have a basement sump. I was under the impression that the PS series are better suited for high head applications so that's why I chose this type. In any case, I've got it jury rigged in a test set up in the basement with only about 6 feet of head and it runs quiet and produces plenty of flow. The 90 gal it's feeding has a single overflow which is just able to keep up at that head pressure, so I should be ok once it's set up to pump over 11 feet plus line loss etc. It's also only being fed by a small bulkhead at the moment. I'll need to redrill the 65 I'm using as a sump to accommodate a larger bulkhead.

The link provided to the flowchart of the 100PX shows the wattage for that pump. 120 watts input required to produce 65 watts of output. Watts may be converted to horsepower as well, but I don't have that formula at my fingertips.
 
Just had another look at the performance curve of the 100PX you're contemplating and the flow is only about 60 gph at 10 ft of head. Hope that's enough for what you're planning? As I mentioned, I think the PS series is pressure rated and a better choice for high head applications.
 
I just bought a new 200PS (pressure rated 1750 GPH). Returns water from one sump to my 210 gallon and my 100 gallon tank. Also runs a manifold that feeds a small refugium, calcium reactor, and two phosban reactors. Still has power to spare. I'm considering using it to feed my skimmer as well, so I can remove the submersible mag 5 I am using as a feed pump now.
Dave
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15525099#post15525099 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Mike31154
Just had another look at the performance curve of the 100PX you're contemplating and the flow is only about 60 gph at 10 ft of head. Hope that's enough for what you're planning? As I mentioned, I think the PS series is pressure rated and a better choice for high head applications.
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Might want to look again ;)

10ft head, roughly 35L/min or 10GPM = 600 GPH


None the less, OP stated he was using a currently owned PCX-40 anyway.
 
Oops, right you are, my multiplication is obviously off by a rather large margin, missing one zero. I multiplied GPM by 6 instead of 60. Thanks for pointing that out.
 
Until recently I was using a PCX40 as a basement return pushing ~ 10' vertical. It worked fine. Noisy, but it works well. Kill-a-watt had it right around 110W.

I swapped it out for a Poseidon PS4. I wanted to gain efficiency by using a water cooled external to help with keeping the tank warm. Keeps the heaters from running so much.
 
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I am considering the panworld 100PX for my living room. Do these require much maintenance? Are they relatively quiet?
 
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15665078#post15665078 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by 200mfromocean
I am considering the panworld 100PX for my living room. Do these require much maintenance? Are they relatively quiet?
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Three of mine have been running for almost two years, having been turned off maybe a dozen or so times during major maintenance and/or power issues. I haven't done anything at all to them.

The fourth is running on my skimmer, and finally needed cleaned. This took about ten minutes total (including the removal from the sump, etc).

In my opinion, a pretty low maintenance pump. As for the sound, I think they're pretty quiet, but that's all relative and a personal opinion.
 
I have been running a PanWorld for 6 years with no problems at all - but I would not consider it in a living room. The amount of noise is a bit positional, but definitely more than I would want in a LR. Fine in my fish room.
 
Thanks. Seems like a decent pump. The other option I was considering was the the enheim 1262 and red dragon, but I am still leaning toward the panworld. If the enheim is noisy I could stick it in the water. THe
 
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Again, it's kind of all personal opinion. Yes, my Panworld's are noisy in comparison to my old Sequence Tarpoon, but that made literally NO noise at all (only could hear it if your ear was 12" from the pump and that was mostly fan noise). However, all 4 Panworld's don't make near as much noise as my two Vortech's on short pulse wave mode and two on reefcrest. Again, relative. If you have concerns or are worried about noise, nothing beats trying to find someone local with one. All pumps are slightly different, different tubing and/or ball valving back flow will change the noise levels, etc... But it's a better solution that attempting to get noise information off the Internet. The billion Vortech noise threads prove that ;)
 
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