pappone and BLU Coral method
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fishfanatic06
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Yeah, about 2 inches
Green Thumb
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Funny because I have a REALY crapy skimmer and I noticed if I skim REALY wet, ciano doesnt occur. Before when I was skimming dry I was getting a bit. Now with the Ca reactor there just is NO stopping the growth.
Food is GOOD for corals, pappone or something else. I cant wait to upgrade my skimmer and start feeding this stuff 2 times a week...
Food is GOOD for corals, pappone or something else. I cant wait to upgrade my skimmer and start feeding this stuff 2 times a week...
Travis
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You may feel this way about it due to the way you were adding it. When feeding such a "rich" food to a tank I would think it would be wisest to start slow and wait quite a while before ramping up. From what I've read, a little bit of this stuff goes a long ways.
But I do agree, there has been a lot of talk about this stuff and a lot of people trying it but where are the pics??????
Serioussnaps
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9918317#post9918317 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by fishfanatic06
If your having problems with the pappone it is most likely your own fault. You must be doing something wrong. Do you run a dsb or ssb in your tank? If so this could be the cause. It is highly reccomended that the pappone is used for bare bottom tanks. Pappone is not a phosphate bomb. The method requires superior nutrient export and low stocking levels to prevent any nuisance algae problems. A large skimmer is also a must. This is what will get rid of all the left over stuff from the pappone that could indeed cause algae problems. BTW, I have been running the same rowaphos on my reef for 3 months and still test 0 for phosphates after using the pappone for a little less than a month.
Oh yeah, do you need some growth shots to satisfy you?
The spots circled in red show 4 weeks of growth with pappone on my Orange Montipora Capricornis.
Enjoy!
This is laughable. The whole reason that pappone "requires superior nutrient export and low stocking levels" is BECAUSE IT IS A PHOSPHATE BOMB. I am BB, overskim, albeit only a G3 on a 55 at the moment so no 1500 dollar deltec on a 55, but still skim well...do weekly WC's and run phosban/phosar 24/7 365 days a year changed every 3 weeks at 2 times the recommended dosage. So saying its not for my system is laughable. I have fed a buttload of other foodstuffs in large quantities at a time and have never had any algae issues. And FWIW that is very good growth, but it isnt due to the pappone(you show a cap!...they grow like mad in toiletwater)...its obvious you maintain your system very well since you know so much that you believe you can tell me my approach is wrong. I chalk up good growth on a monti to regular old good husbandry...not to pappone.
My whole problem with it is everyone thinks it is some secret magic bullet that is going to swell your corals....it is no different than any other feeding methods that most people have known about for many many years....except you add sugar(people on RC have been doing this for a long time as well) and HGH. Besides... no one on here is even adding HGH. The whole point is to dump nutrients(phosphate bomb) and zooplanktonish type foods into the system....nothing i didnt say before so I dont know why you are so offended.
Serioussnaps
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9922491#post9922491 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Travis
You may feel this way about it due to the way you were adding it. When feeding such a "rich" food to a tank I would think it would be wisest to start slow and wait quite a while before ramping up. From what I've read, a little bit of this stuff goes a long ways.
But I do agree, there has been a lot of talk about this stuff and a lot of people trying it but where are the pics??????
It does go a long way because it is so bound with nutrients....thats all I was saying in my previous posts. Funny we have one user post a PIC...one PIC(notice no S). And it is of a monti cap....worlds fastest grower in the first place. I love playing devil's advocate when i see the light.
Serioussnaps
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Your talking about my posts? I still dont know what you are trying to say here other than look at some Italian pictures of VERY VERY VERY well established tanks with 20 year old corals that are spawning they are so mature. Snideness is not going to prove to anyone that you are having any success with pappone............... Go eat some pappone WITH HGH before you come talking to me like that.:mad2:
RichConley
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Its only a phosphate bomb if you dont add the sugar.
(Which is why I keep saying that people stop using the word "pappone" for what is pretty standard blender mush, vs what the word originally referred to, blender mush with sugar)
And FWIW, I wouldnt call that fast growth from a cap by any means.
rigleautomotive
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i was looking for growth on acropora ,like stag or table where u can see the size progress monthly.i get noticible growth on sps corals weekly,sometimes a quarter inch per week running extremely low nutrients,big downdraft skimmer,and little to no feeding.
Serioussnaps
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Thank you Rich...its good growth, but nothing extraordinary...probaby through standard good husbandry...not mush with sugar...lol.
glassbox-design
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yeah yeah cap's arent the best for this type of thing, but hey he posted a pic.
this stuff is not a phosphate bomb. if you dont have the export means then it turns into a bomb. like rich said, that is why you add sugar.
pappone is meant for very low nutrient tanks. remember when everyone was upgrading skimmers and going BB? there colors got washed out. I would say this is from nitrogen limitation, even possibly po4 limitation. Pappone would be great for those tanks and I'd bet there colors would deepen and growth would increase.
I would guess if the italians didnt add the pappone they would face slower growth and washed out colors as well as it is a large nutrient source for there systems.
I agree with VCoo, dont blame the system. it's not applicable for every system and it takes fine tuning like other methods that i dont need to get into right now your system could be BB with a good skimmer and it may not work. It's about personalization and tuning! that's why these newer techniques are scoffed at by some, and embraced by others.
jmo.
eric
this stuff is not a phosphate bomb. if you dont have the export means then it turns into a bomb. like rich said, that is why you add sugar.
pappone is meant for very low nutrient tanks. remember when everyone was upgrading skimmers and going BB? there colors got washed out. I would say this is from nitrogen limitation, even possibly po4 limitation. Pappone would be great for those tanks and I'd bet there colors would deepen and growth would increase.
I would guess if the italians didnt add the pappone they would face slower growth and washed out colors as well as it is a large nutrient source for there systems.
I agree with VCoo, dont blame the system. it's not applicable for every system and it takes fine tuning like other methods that i dont need to get into right now
your system could be BB with a good skimmer and it may not work. It's about personalization and tuning! that's why these newer techniques are scoffed at by some, and embraced by others. jmo.
eric
fishfanatic06
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I have tried those fancy snake oils and such (prodibio). And I figured it was just not worth it. There is a simpler and cheaper way to have good colors and good nutrient export. I then decided to start a simple, and cheaper reef. Just a skimmer, sump, live rock, good flow, and strong lighting. And I keep up with calcium and alk with Randy's two part. I was going to just feed my tank with DT's phyto and oyster eggs, but then I heard about the pappone stuff. Heck, I could make a 3 years supply of this stuff for only $50. And it is only a food. It's not like it's some reefing religion like a Zeovit setup. So far It has worked well for me. As a result, I see no reason to change what I am doing. Also this whole nonsense of calling the pappone a phosphate bomb is stupid. Anything you use to feed your reef will probably be introducing phosphate into the water anyways. The sugar in the recipe acts as the "bomb shelter". It prevents any huge algae outbreaks that may occur. Maybe you screwed up the recipe when you were making it? Or maybe you added to much too quick? Sorry if I made you angry, but if you are going to come in and say a bunch of negative stuff about the pappone, you have to expect someone to fire back at you eventually. C'mon man.
Besides, I am only 15 years old. Cut me some slack, I'm still learning.
Oh yeah, Cheers to all the young sps Reefers out there! :beer:
Unless..... I'm the only one.
Besides, I am only 15 years old. Cut me some slack, I'm still learning.
Oh yeah, Cheers to all the young sps Reefers out there! :beer:
Unless..... I'm the only one.
mano1192
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I agree Travis, you do have to start with a low dosage and start upping the amount slowly as anything you would add to your tank.
I am seeing frags encrust alot faster than previously to my papone feedings, where it would take a acro frag about a month to fully encrust a frag disc it is taking about 2-3 weeks. I think the Papone is the reason, but I also just started running Rowaphos too
I am seeing frags encrust alot faster than previously to my papone feedings, where it would take a acro frag about a month to fully encrust a frag disc it is taking about 2-3 weeks. I think the Papone is the reason, but I also just started running Rowaphos too
Serioussnaps
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9924646#post9924646 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by fishfanatic06
I have tried those fancy snake oils and such (prodibio). And I figured it was just not worth it. There is a simpler and cheaper way to have good colors and good nutrient export. I then decided to start a simple, and cheaper reef. Just a skimmer, sump, live rock, good flow, and strong lighting. And I keep up with calcium and alk with Randy's two part. I was going to just feed my tank with DT's phyto and oyster eggs, but then I heard about the pappone stuff. Heck, I could make a 3 years supply of this stuff for only $50. And it is only a food. It's not like it's some reefing religion like a Zeovit setup. So far It has worked well for me. As a result, I see no reason to change what I am doing. Also this whole nonsense of calling the pappone a phosphate bomb is stupid. Anything you use to feed your reef will probably be introducing phosphate into the water anyways. The sugar in the recipe acts as the "bomb shelter". It prevents any huge algae outbreaks that may occur. Maybe you screwed up the recipe when you were making it? Or maybe you added to much too quick? Sorry if I made you angry, but if you are going to come in and say a bunch of negative stuff about the pappone, you have to expect someone to fire back at you eventually. C'mon man.
Besides, I am only 15 years old. Cut me some slack, I'm still learning.
Oh yeah, Cheers to all the young sps Reefers out there! :beer:
Unless..... I'm the only one.
Cheers to ya! I wasn't mad with your comments just the snide remark the other guy made. I think you got it right except I dont think pappone is really enhancing any of the methodology you eluded to in the beginning of your post! I was just playing devil's advocate as I disagree with you. I still want to see pics of the dramatic growth differences(i think there is a ceiling on how much corals can grow in the first place)though
I know they're not the best shots but here they are for you guys.
Hopefully they encourage more before after pics from people having better success then I am.
4 weeks. This was just a V-shaped frag, that refused to grow after owning it for about a year(i'll admit my husbandry isn't amazing, still learning and getting better). It put on a whole host of new nubs, atleast 1/4" on each of the original main branches, as well as a full new branch.
I did everything the same as I usually do, just added pappone. 1ml 2-times a week. 30g tank.
Hopefully they encourage more before after pics from people having better success then I am.
4 weeks. This was just a V-shaped frag, that refused to grow after owning it for about a year(i'll admit my husbandry isn't amazing, still learning and getting better). It put on a whole host of new nubs, atleast 1/4" on each of the original main branches, as well as a full new branch.
I did everything the same as I usually do, just added pappone. 1ml 2-times a week. 30g tank.
fishfanatic06
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It can be used with a sand bed, but it works best with a bb setup.
After running it for a few weeks i have had some good growth with the system and no problem with nutrients in my system. More than anything i have had very very good polyp extension on every coral in the tank. I would recommend it to anyone since its it very cheap to run and the polyp extension alone is worth it.
I do skim extremely heavily, I have any MR3R with an Iwaki 100 and a 12in riser along with a second ER C8-3 skimmer on a 250g. I also feed my fish 4 times daily with the autofeeder and nori/frozen but have no detectable phostphate and nitrate.
I do skim extremely heavily, I have any MR3R with an Iwaki 100 and a 12in riser along with a second ER C8-3 skimmer on a 250g. I also feed my fish 4 times daily with the autofeeder and nori/frozen but have no detectable phostphate and nitrate.
