Tony Romano
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YMMV?
Phytoplankton
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Peter Eichler
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Kent, Brightwell, Prodobio, etc., though they have some useful products, they all have their fair share of snakeoil. They put out products in hopes that they will sell, whether or not they're actually beneficial and work as advertised is of secondary concern. They're like the car salemen that not only try to take you for all they can on a car, but then try to take you for even more by selling you the "clear coat protectant" and an extended warranty. How well respected guys like Jack Kent, Chris Brightwell, Albert Thiel, and Marc Weiss are in the industry, in particular the science side of it, should speak volumes for the quality and need for their products. So you don't have to look it up, they're not...
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WOW I'm so glad someone brought that up!
x2 what Eichler just said!
That being said, I'm trying the Brightwell MicroBacter7 with Vodka dosing, but only because SunnyX is doing it, and he's one of the coolest kids around, so I had to since I can't afford the bacteria from Zeovit to go with my zeo reactor, and want to go ULNS, but that's all a different story.
x2 what Eichler just said!
That being said, I'm trying the Brightwell MicroBacter7 with Vodka dosing, but only because SunnyX is doing it, and he's one of the coolest kids around, so I had to since I can't afford the bacteria from Zeovit to go with my zeo reactor, and want to go ULNS, but that's all a different story.
gabbagabbawill
In Memoriam
The two statements that you make above seem to contradict one another:
"they put out products in hopes that they will sell, whether or not they're actually beneficial..."
and
"How well respected guys like Jack Kent, Chris Brightwell, Albert Thiel, and Marc Weiss are in the industry, in particular the science side of it, should speak volumes for the quality and need for their products."
Doesn't add up, can you please explain?
Peter Eichler
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I guess I worded that funny, read the last "sentence"... They're not well respected by most people that are involved in the hobby and have a science back ground.
gabbagabbawill
In Memoriam
I think I see. So, to clarify, they are NOT well respected by most anyone with a background in science, and therefore also NOT respected by many in the hobby who have done their research.
And this is because they are branding snake oil as "science".
So, in other words, most of these products are for people who have the money and are willing to spend it regardless of the result.
I purchase mostly seachem products, which aren't many, mostly just for Alk and Calcium dosing. I don't believe in adding a lot of things to the tank. I do about a 5% wet skimmate water change once a week and I feel that this replenishes most of the beneficial nutrients.
I have heard strange stories about kent and brightwell from local sources...
I think I will stop using zooplex as my fish readily take foods without it. I'm considering going to Rod's food when my current supply of food (SF Bay Marine Cuisine) runs out.
And this is because they are branding snake oil as "science".
So, in other words, most of these products are for people who have the money and are willing to spend it regardless of the result.
I purchase mostly seachem products, which aren't many, mostly just for Alk and Calcium dosing. I don't believe in adding a lot of things to the tank. I do about a 5% wet skimmate water change once a week and I feel that this replenishes most of the beneficial nutrients.
I have heard strange stories about kent and brightwell from local sources...
I think I will stop using zooplex as my fish readily take foods without it. I'm considering going to Rod's food when my current supply of food (SF Bay Marine Cuisine) runs out.
gabbagabbawill
In Memoriam
Mel, HOLY SH*T! Had no idea you were into the reefing thing too...hahaha! It's funny, I ran into a local reefer guy the other day who offered me some free live sand from his tank... we got to talking and I found out he owned 5 vespas when he lived in germany, was into german ska bands and would ride 2-300 miles on scooter runs... I talked him into coming out to the midweek mayhem night and maybe into getting a scooter again... hahaha. he said they call the plastic ones in germany toasters.
Actually, I rarely recognize sarcasm on forums... I think I must have a sarcasm blocker installed on my computer somewhere... must figure out how to remove! lol.
BTW, that's a sweet looking tang... that yours?
Actually, I rarely recognize sarcasm on forums... I think I must have a sarcasm blocker installed on my computer somewhere... must figure out how to remove! lol.
BTW, that's a sweet looking tang... that yours?
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EvilMel
is a serious goby fanatic
Yeah...that's Priscilla. I had to give up my 240g tank when I got divorced but I was fortunate enough to be good friends with a guy who owns a clownfish hatchery. We put her in his 600 gallon lagoon so she's loving life. She lives with my kole tang Linus, a huge batfish, a trumpetfish, and several sharks.
She's so wide that her fins look tiny now.
She's so wide that her fins look tiny now.
gabbagabbawill
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I have three bar gobies named Vodka, Cider, and Ale... thought you could appreciate that...
The one named Vodka has a split stripe that forms a perfect "V" on one side. I've tried to get a picture, but they won't sit still...
Glad to hear about the tang...
The one named Vodka has a split stripe that forms a perfect "V" on one side. I've tried to get a picture, but they won't sit still...
Glad to hear about the tang...
Tony Romano
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Not meaning to sound too dumb, but is there any 3d party science on Kent or Brightwell. I missed sarcasm as well, or did not quite understand it. (maybe it was bad delivery rater than me being thick?) Kent and Brightwell are funny, 168 different products, they should have 20ish.
I liked Brightwells Backwhatever7, have not attempted Zeo yet. Also liked Bio Digest and Bioptim, tank seems not quite as nice as when I was dosing both.
As I understand more about chemistry I am a bit P***ed at wasted money in past.
Reef Nutrition is great stuff, however I would like some room temp stuff for supplimental automatic dosing.
I liked Brightwells Backwhatever7, have not attempted Zeo yet. Also liked Bio Digest and Bioptim, tank seems not quite as nice as when I was dosing both.
As I understand more about chemistry I am a bit P***ed at wasted money in past.
Reef Nutrition is great stuff, however I would like some room temp stuff for supplimental automatic dosing.
Tony Romano, there really isn't much that can be dosed at room temperature that won't spoil and just purely add to nitrates. You could dose phyto, but again, you have to know what is eating it that makes it worth adding them to your tank, and you'd have to keep a bubbler in the bottle of phyto, basically just like you were culturing them.
I'm using the brightwell microbac7 instead of zeobac with vodka dosing, and I'm not really seeing much results, and my cyano is starting to come back (it came in hardcore when I did just vodka, then the addition of the zeobac made it recede a lot, but now that I'm out of zeobac and I've gone to the cheaper brightwell microbac7, I'm noticing the cyano coming back again). I'm going to give the brightwell more time, but I'm not too happy right now. The only reason I tried it is after seeing SunnyX's tank, and he's like one of my reefing heroes because of his 2 awesome tanks that he's had (current and previous TOTM winner).
I'm using the brightwell microbac7 instead of zeobac with vodka dosing, and I'm not really seeing much results, and my cyano is starting to come back (it came in hardcore when I did just vodka, then the addition of the zeobac made it recede a lot, but now that I'm out of zeobac and I've gone to the cheaper brightwell microbac7, I'm noticing the cyano coming back again). I'm going to give the brightwell more time, but I'm not too happy right now. The only reason I tried it is after seeing SunnyX's tank, and he's like one of my reefing heroes because of his 2 awesome tanks that he's had (current and previous TOTM winner).
Tony Romano
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sonny with the rimless perfect looking tank?
Tony Romano
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He never sleeps, stays up cleaning tank.
Nanz
Premium Member
ReefWreak - I agree 100% and feel your pain as well. I use MB7 and ReefBiofuel. I was using the neozeo stones but saw no change in my tank. I actually work at a lab so I had my nitrates and ammonia tested using lab equipment rather than a hobby test kit and I saw no improvement after 3 months. My nitrates were low to begin with but they never went outside 6-7ppm range. So I took the rocks out of the system and just continued to dose MB7 and Reef Biofuel. Im waiting on my zeobac and then Im going to go the vodka route.
I also use brightwell's Vitamin C and mix it with my food every night. I used to use Seachem Reef Plus which has amino and vitamin C in it but I wanted to back off the amino so that less factors would be affecting my study.
I keep all my brightwell products refrigerated. I'm thinking of using ZeoZym and Zeo's coral snow next. I have cyano on my sandbed and it does not completely go away but at times it recedes.
Tony Romano
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Nanz - Did you ever compare your lab results with hobby test kits?
Is there a 3d Diablo out?
Is there a 3d Diablo out?
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