PO4 not dropping with Phosban Reactor

Aquaduck

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Ok, so I finally got off my arse and got a Phosban Reactor installed on my 90 gallon tank. My PO4 level using an Elos test kit is giving me a reading of 0.25ppm I ran the reactor for two days with 1/2 the recommended amount of Phosban. The PO4 did not drop. So I added the remainder of the recommended dosage of 100g/100gallons. I have run the reactor now for another two days and there is no sign the phosphates are dropping. The flow through the reactor is set so there is a gentle boil on the surface of the Phosban. How long will it take until I see a drop in PO4 levels?
 
As you remove phosphate from the water colum any accumulated phosphate in the sand and rock will start being released so you will se phosphate for a while until it all is released. Replace your media as soon as you measure phosphate at the effluent of the reactor.
 
Starting at .25 on a 90, I'd expect it to take about 6 months to get to 0 with about 3 changes of the media. Maybe longer if the rock and sand is saturated. At first you'll find the phosban effluent showing phosphate in just about a week or two. Then it will take about the same time on the next media change. Then you'll go twice as long. And so on and so on. At a level of 2 It took me about 8 phosban changes to get to 0 on a salifert test. I'm sure I still have some on more expensive phosphate detectors. Might want to order up the 1200 gram tub of it.
 
Thanks everyone. I never tested for PO4 until the nuisance algae started showing up. (I know, I'm bad) At this point I had been running a calcuim reactor for almost a year. I wonder if this was the cause of my PO4 build-up. Water changes never helped. In fact they seemed to fuel the fire. Off to order a LARGE tub a Phosban....
 
Next time you change your ca reactor media, study on it. I don't run one so I can't point you in a good direction on media but it seems to me that there were some brands which had a high phosphate release.
 
PO4 reactors are only treating a reoccuring symptom...try and keep ur system cleaner....blow out ur live rock to loosen any debris and siphon out..reduce feeding frozen...clean any and all filters weekly and monitor ur dKH which will help u figure out if ur importing more nutrients than ur system can handle...
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8287501#post8287501 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by DrBDC
Next time you change your ca reactor media, study on it. I don't run one so I can't point you in a good direction on media but it seems to me that there were some brands which had a high phosphate release.

I have tested ARM and Gen-X with a LR PO4 Hanna colorimeter and got 0.02 ppm which IMO is well within the required parameters to maintain a tank at less than 0.05 ppm
 
Good to hear that ARM is 0.02ppm PO4. That's what I'm using. I now wash all frozen foods three times in RO water. I have heard that Nori is high in PO4 . Can't wash the Nori unfortunately. I think that it's been building up in my tank for years without me realizing it. Now it's going to take a while to "clean up my act".
 
dont go crazy with the phosban...go to chemistry forumn and talk to randy and read the article on GFO's---granular ferrous oxides....my TLF reactor took about 2 weeks until the cyano i had stopped growing and its all gone now....but it was due to a tank move and a removal of the sandbed ...just exercise patience and dont use too much of the GFO

1g per gallon...but not more than 150g's at a time..
 
phosban and the other GFO's can and will drop your ph quickly when first used and drop the ALK in short order also...be wary
 
Yep. I'm only using about 80grams of Phosban on a 110gallon system. I've read Randy's article on GFO. It was very interresting.

I'll leave the Phosban as is until I detect the PO4 rising on the effluent of the TLF reactor. Then I'll change the media. I did notice a small drop in alkalinity and I added a bit of buffer to compensate. I'll leave it be for a couple weeks and then test the PO4 levels.

Thanks for everyone's advise. :)
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8291229#post8291229 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Aquaduck
Yep. I'm only using about 80grams of Phosban on a 110gallon system. ...... :)

Meet Lil'Abner... 1,200 grams of media, 4 months and keeps going and going and going.... :D

You can do it only after you no longer detect any Phosphate.
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Never looked at it that way.But took another look,and looks like you are right my friend....I got and old 2 chamber Reefcreations cal reactor.That just might need to be modified?Looks like a good old do it yourself project for the DIY forum.:lol:
 
Explain the flow of that. Did you buy or diy? The wheels are turning. A little smoke too but but they're turning.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8307110#post8307110 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Aquaduck
Looks like a modified Kalk stirrer. Nice!

I got tired of testing and replacing the media so once my phosphates were at undetectable levels I saw as not an issue to have a large enough reactor to last a long time, or at list I tough so.
Actually I modified my old Kalk reactor after I upgraded.
I just plugged one of the two holes on the bottom and used the other one for the water inlet to get up flow.
I made some support legs for the media out of 4" thin ABS pipe, some eggcrate on top of the legs with an Eheim round foam filter to support the media.
On the center of the top flange were the outlet is I glued a cut out of the threads of a 11/2" PVC female threaded adaptor and screw in a plastic strainer that I fill in with fiber filter media to prevent small particles to pass to the output. Use a mj1200 to feed the water and one valve to control flow.
The first time I tried with two jars of Rowa it soon turned into a big clump due to precipitation so there goes some bucks to the waste basket. Then I tried Phosban which worked well although I had to periodically use a wood stick to break the clumps. Lastly I tried a new media from Warner Marine the PHOsR which worked very well with no clumping at all. I think because it comes in uniform cylindrical pellets of about 1 by 2 mm it allows a more uniform flow without channeling and its higher density allows for higher flow without carrying small particles so there is more separation between the granules that prevent the clumps to form.

I want to note that if you use too much media to reduce existing high phosphates you run the risk of lowering too fast and cause a shock for your critters so I did this only after I no longer detected any phosphate.

This is what the media looks like.
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Between my cal reactor like I mentioned here.I also have a Zeovit reactor.That would be easier to change out.Because it already has a hole in the bottom to give it's up flow that it seems to need.I always keep old equipment for days just like this.My wife get's on me. if you aren't using it sell it or throw it OUT ! Yep time to get the dust off of it,and down size the intake line.Was wondering do you run your carbon on top of it?I saw where some folks do this also.A combo carbon reactor/FOH reactor.I see your happy with the Warner product.But will wait till I need to replace.And also their will me more thread on this new brand also.I just start this stuff,a newbie for sure.Always read all these threads now a day,pertaining to any Phosphates.Yep it's GOOD STUFF .:D
 
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