Pohl's Xtra ?

[karsseboom]

Because there was a time when I was DUMB like you. Ive seen tanks without zeovit that looked great I SEEN tanks with zeovit that look terrible with corals dieing. or do you claim zeovit changes the DNA structure of corals to make them more colorfull.
All they did was take pictures of nice corals and market their products and you eat it up.
without any lab results; it is insulting to the hobby
Are you offended because of my common sense
You claim it is the most potent why?
Spur bleaches corals when over used

True of false dosing carbon creates bacteria that consumes nitrates and po4? That's what zeostart3 is.

True or false zeobak is a bottle of microorganism? Yes just like micrbactor7 is....or is that snake oil also?

True or flase Zeolite stones are a stone that harbors the bacteria your dosing into the system?

That is the basic four elements to the system. Other bottles are mostly trace elements or amino acids or amino acids mixed with something else. There's no snake oil to the foundation of the system it's pretty straight forward. Carbon and microorganism to lower nutrients, then you have the option to add coral food/amino acids to feed or darken tissue. Almost everyone on here uses some form of bacteria strains mixed with a carbon source, there just not called zeovit.

Now if you can't understand that I'm sorry...then bio pellets are snake oil, vodka is snake oil, bacteria strains are snake oil, amino acids are snake oil...

I have seen tanks running bio pellets that looked horrible. I have seen tanks dosing vodka that looked bad...does that mean its snake oil? No you still have to have good husbandry and know how to properly keep the specimens.

 

[Arkayology]

Lol oh yeah thats right the science where you dont know what the product is.
The science without any lab to verify any results. You want to say im wrong because you beleive in the product. The product could be anything they are the classic snake oil company

I guarantee you buy things every day that include "natural ingredients", "aroma", or other names that are basically used to hide additives in the formulas of various products. Are you out picketing because you do not know what is in those products too? It is common practice. As you have said, we don't know what is in zeovit products. While it could be as simple as vinegar and water, it could be much more complex. We don't know, but it works. There will always be different schools of thought on what is the best way to do things.
Some use zeovit, some keep it simple, some use ATS; the list goes on. If you don't like zeovit, fine, you don't have to. But telling people they are stupid for buying something that works and they are happy with is ignorant.

 

[Bugger]

I dont know why I even bother because you will always side with zeovit. wwhich is snake oil. I've been in this hobby a long time. Even when zeovit was not on the scene and guess what we kept SPS in those days and colors where great. If you want to run an artificial enviroment with bateria and drugs be prepared to always have to continue using the product otherwise your tank will crash. You like to imagine that you are a part of some secret group of reefers that do things better then others because you use zeovit. Does flatworm exit work? no it does not! and it speaks volumes about KZ as a company. They know it dosent work but they sell it so they can drive this years benz or buy an extra house or whatever. you are defending a company that dosent deliver on its promise.
I also tried polci grow or whatever its called and guess what it dident work.
If you know what start is than why waste the money to buy it from them when it cost ten times as much.
a big thumbs down for their products and their skimmers suck and their zeolite reactor is over priced a big thumbs down

 

[Bugger]

Xtra, as I previously mentioned in this thread, is Amino aids, and trace elements.

no, you will never be told the composition of the trace elements and amount of each, that's KZ's intellectual property. does ANY company out there give you full ingredients and amounts of each ? lol

but just the fact that you CLAIM that you have used it, and claim you didnt notice anything, shows you most probably are just a zeovit hater I have never heard of anyone say Xtra, the most potent additive KZ makes does nothing.

you are probably the one of the 2 ppl on reefing community that thinks KZ products are snake oil, yet you use them lol sais alot about you ?

Yes when I buy anything that I eat it is labeled on it what is in there
Corals should also have the right to this

 

[karsseboom]

I dont know why I even bother because you will always side with zeovit. wwhich is snake oil. I've been in this hobby a long time. Even when zeovit was not on the scene and guess what we kept SPS in those days and colors where great. If you want to run an artificial enviroment with bateria and drugs be prepared to always have to continue using the product otherwise your tank will crash. You like to imagine that you are a part of some secret group of reefers that do things better then others because you use zeovit. Does flatworm exit work? no it does not! and it speaks volumes about KZ as a company. They know it dosent work but they sell it so they can drive this years benz or buy an extra house or whatever. you are defending a company that dosent deliver on its promise.
I also tried polci grow or whatever its called and guess what it dident work.
If you know what start is than why waste the money to buy it from them when it cost ten times as much.
a big thumbs down for their products and their skimmers suck and their zeolite reactor is over priced a big thumbs down

You still didn't answer my questions

 

[creefer01]

Interesting....

I was hoping to hear more people's experience with the specific product the OP brought up. Interesting exchange however.......

 

[Bugger]

True of false dosing carbon creates bacteria that consumes nitrates and po4? That's what zeostart3 is.

True or false zeobak is a bottle of microorganism? Yes just like micrbactor7 is....or is that snake oil also?

True or flase Zeolite stones are a stone that harbors the bacteria your dosing into the system?

That is the basic four elements to the system. Other bottles are mostly trace elements or amino acids or amino acids mixed with something else. There's no snake oil to the foundation of the system it's pretty straight forward. Carbon and microorganism to lower nutrients, then you have the option to add coral food/amino acids to feed or darken tissue. Almost everyone on here uses some form of bacteria strains mixed with a carbon source, there just not called zeovit.

Now if you can't understand that I'm sorry...then bio pellets are snake oil, vodka is snake oil, bacteria strains are snake oil, amino acids are snake oil...

I have seen tanks running bio pellets that looked horrible. I have seen tanks dosing vodka that looked bad...does that mean its snake oil? No you still have to have good husbandry and know how to properly keep the specimens.

All Im saying is that it is not neccary to run zeovit you can achieve good color without it. Do you agree or disagree?
Answer this question how much nitrate does dosing bac remove on a daily basis. Because its important to measure the preformance of the snake oil product at 60 dollars a bottle.
Does KZ know? because im sure they wanted to know
but they never published because it probally insignficant
The stones are fine they do remove ammonia
It is snake oil :lmao:

 

[karsseboom]

All Im saying is that it is not neccary to run zeovit you can achieve good color without it. Do you agree or disagree?
Answer this question how much nitrate does dosing bac remove on a daily basis. Because its important to measure the preformance of the snake oil product at 60 dollars a bottle.
Does KZ know? because im sure they wanted to know
but they never published because it probally insignficant
The stones are fine they do remove ammonia
It is snake oil :lmao:

That's a ridiculous statement. How many ml of bio pellets will it take to remove x amount of nitrate? How many ml of vodka will it take to remove x amount of nitrate? How many cap fills of micrbactor7 will it take to remove amount of nitrate? It's biology, things don't work like that. Zeovit does allow you to maintain a low nutrient system fact. Will dosing pocci glow make your corals glow the next day? Probably not. There is nothing in this hobby that works like that. You have to actually have skill in keeping sps to thrive. Zeovit is not gonna compensate for your lack of husbandry.

 

[bobssecrtsn]

this thread is completely useless. Haters going to hate, Lovers gunna love. thread CLOSED!!

 

[Allmost]

its not always the product, many times its the user that fails at using it correctly.

just the fact that you are insulting me for having colors you can not dream of, proves my point.

I pity you.

 

[jasimek]

Can pohls xtra be used without using any of the other zeovit products? Looking for a response other than "snake oil"

 

[Allmost]

Can pohls xtra be used without using any of the other zeovit products? Looking for a response other than "snake oil"

Xtra, as I posted in first response to this thread, is Amino Acids, and trace elements.

Xtra can be used in any system, where SPS colours are pale, it will darken the tissue color, and help corals show their true colours.

if brown/green film algae, or other forms of algae apear, or if SPS tissue darkens too much, you are overdosing, should cut back for a week and start again with lower dosage.

I like it alot more than Amino acids alone. you get much better response.

 

[jasimek]

I dose fuel once or twice a week and haven't seen a difference with that. Think I'm going to try the xtra

 

[Bugger]

Yes yes we have a leader his name is Thomas Pohl. the leader sells us magic beans in little blue bottles. such as flatworm exit among others. Nobody can question the leader. Thomas Pohl is our north Korea. No we have not been banboozled; resestiance is futile.

 

[Allmost]

Yes yes we have a leader his name is Thomas Pohl. the leader sells us magic beans in little blue bottles. such as flatworm exit among others. Nobody can question the leader. Thomas Pohl is our north Korea. No we have not been banboozled; resestiance is futile.

dont you feel like you are making it too personal ?

you have made the point that you are not able to use the product, so why the hate and resort to personal comments/attacks ? if you need to call me more names, do it and get it out of your system

these forums are for friendly discussion, not name calling, nor political discussions.

if anything, you are the only hater who is disturbing the threads about certain products. as I said above, its not the products, its YOU !

 

[trinity1012]

dont you feel like you are making it too personal ?

You have made the point that you are not able to use the product, so why the hate and resort to personal comments/attacks ? If you need to call me more names, do it and get it out of your system

these forums are for friendly discussion, not name calling, nor political discussions.

If anything, you are the only hater who is disturbing the threads about certain products. As i said above, its not the products, its you !

+1

 

[Rwpdunne]

I dont know why I even bother because you will always side with zeovit. wwhich is snake oil. I've been in this hobby a long time. Even when zeovit was not on the scene and guess what we kept SPS in those days and colors where great. If you want to run an artificial enviroment with bateria and drugs be prepared to always have to continue using the product otherwise your tank will crash. You like to imagine that you are a part of some secret group of reefers that do things better then others because you use zeovit. Does flatworm exit work? no it does not! and it speaks volumes about KZ as a company. They know it dosent work but they sell it so they can drive this years benz or buy an extra house or whatever. you are defending a company that dosent deliver on its promise.
I also tried polci grow or whatever its called and guess what it dident work.
If you know what start is than why waste the money to buy it from them when it cost ten times as much.
a big thumbs down for their products and their skimmers suck and their zeolite reactor is over priced a big thumbs down

Thats a load of crap your tank won't crash if you stop zeovit where did you hear that?

 

[biggles]

Personally i am against 'chemistry set reefs' and 'magic bean' solutions and see them come and go over the years. I am a very skeptical reefer in this regard hence why i haven't tried the zeo methodology but i must point out Bugger that considering the length of time the zeo method has been used and the many, many beautiful and successful zeo reefs i have seen flourishing from this system i don't think your comments are warranted in any way. I don't think the zeo reefers are suggesting the system is foolproof and a guarantee to success but they have every right to suggest that their methodology can result in very successful reefs based on years of use. Perhaps some of the zeo products do little or nothing but the same situation exists with a lot of things we add to our tanks and i'm sure most of us have added useless stuff to our tanks at times in the never ending quest for a thriving colorful reef.
I have success without zeo products but even skeptical me can see that the system works for too many reefers to be dismissed as casually as you are doing so with your comments. The personal insults have no place here and i'd suggest you simply let it go mate, no point letting things like this get to you, we all want successful reef tanks regardless of how we accomplish that goal - chill.

 

[Bugger]

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1986248&highlight=flatworm+exit
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2189408&highlight=flatworm+exit
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2211566&highlight=zeovit

I'd like to understand them better too, but without knowing what is in them it is very hard.

One idea is they they have some organic carbon in them without saying so.

A second is they try to utilize the naturally occurring organics in the water.

A third is they try to drive other reactions that do not involve organics (like sulfur denitrators do).

Without knowing what is in the products, it is hard to say which, if any, of these might be the intent.

Well, I can't help what they recommend. A lot of companies make poor recommendations and poor products.

Some of these sorts of products contain so many different types of unstated ingredients that one cannot even know what they are referring to with respect to any particular effect.

Your the one saying that I can't keep a tank and this and that. like your opinion matters you spend all your time on reef central almost.
And whatever you are like sheep :blown:

 

[Pederreefnerd]

I will post my personal experience aout KZ.

I do think they are trying to make money on their products - pretty normal for a company....

The AAHC are aminoacids. pohls Xtra contains mostly N, P and vitamins, and is a lifesaver for hungry corals.

I have used many of their products, but today several have been replaced in my system.

What works for my tank is Pohls Xtra, AAHC and Sponge Power

I have 100+ expensive sps in my system - I want to give them the best.

This is not a religion - dont beleive everything a company tell u, butin my opinion some of their products are top of the market, and some I think is either useless or even dangerous, - fx Zeospur