Poor color, what am I doing wrong?

Ira

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Hi all,

Have had my SPS tank set up for a little over a half a year and have not been that impressed with the colors I am getting and am looking for some advice.

From what I can tell, I think I am doing everything right. My tank is a 16 gal IM (small I know, already eyeing a bigger one) with about 15 lbs of oolite sand (mistake, I know) and 20 lbs of real reef aquacultured live rock. My pink birds nest that I have had since january has a little pink color but is mostly off white, my purple staghorn montipora is getting some nice purple color on its tips but is mostly light brown. The rest of my acros are pretty blah, my strawberry shortcake frag is just a blah off-white/light brown, my green milli came an amazing neon green but has since turned yellow with just a few nice green polyps, my fire and ice echinta is just offwhite. My other millis are just brownish/pinkish. I get great PE and good growth and the couple of acans in the tank have great color, the color is just lacking on the SPS and I am trying to figure out if I am missing something, any advice would be great. Here are the rest of the parms:

Lights:
Radeion, currently set 8" AWL on a ramping 12k schedule that peaks at 41 % (been ramping up 3% a week for the past few weeks).
AquaC remora nano skimmer (get good, heavy skim)
Chemipure elite bag in sump
Bi-weekly 15% waterchange

Parms:
PH: 8.3 (soild, has always read that no matter what time of day checking since tank set up)
N03: 0
PO4: 0.00 (hanna)
Ca: 450
MG: 1400
Kh: 9.8-10.3 (salifert)

Dosing:
C-balance 1x a day
Kent MG 1x a week (needed to keep MG above 1400)
Polyblab reef-resh ULNS system

Feeding:
Feed fish 1x a day with Omega one food or frozen brine
Target feed corals 1x a week with reef-roids

Any ideas of anything else I should be doing/checking that may help my colors improve?
 
You could try feeding more. Here some before and after pics of my red dragon after feeding oyster and roti feast. Also, its ok to have some phosphate in your tank. You can run into very pale colors with ultra low nutrients and no/lack of food.

Today
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Last Week
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4-30-12
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I have some oyster feast on order with the LFS, will hopefully be in a in few weeks so I can try that out.

Salt is H2Ocean Pro salt, says its supposed to be loaded with trace elements. I also put a couple of drops a week of 2 little fishes sea-elements into the tank to replenish trace elements. Should there be something else I should be testing for that would help color?
 
In a tank that small, you should be fine with increased feeding and weekly water changes. You really do want some phosphate in your system. Without phosphate and nitrate, at minimal levels, you will have very pale colors and no growth.

I have some oyster feast on order with the LFS, will hopefully be in a in few weeks so I can try that out.

Salt is H2Ocean Pro salt, says its supposed to be loaded with trace elements. I also put a couple of drops a week of 2 little fishes sea-elements into the tank to replenish trace elements. Should there be something else I should be testing for that would help color?
 
So you guys think my lighting is sufficient right now too? That was the other variable I was worried about. I will get my hands on some oysterfeast and see if that helps for the time being.
 
Just a proaquatix Sunrise Dottyback. Its a small tank, I dont feel comfortable getting anything else.
 
So you guys think my lighting is sufficient right now too? That was the other variable I was worried about. I will get my hands on some oysterfeast and see if that helps for the time being.

If you have the ecotech radion, then I would say yes. Try feeding your tank first. With the addition of the oyster feast (I also recommend roti feast), you will notice a deeper more natural coloration of your corals. Very similar to the pics I have provided. Also, having some nutrient in your tank is necessary. I always target a phosphate level between .02 and .05. I have a ZEO tank and I targeted .00 phosphate for quite a while. I experienced the same lack of color that you are experiencing today. One of the drawbacks of the ULNS is this pale coloration that so many of us experience. This pale coloration is an early sign of starvation. If this environment is kept in its low/no food state, you may also see signs of slow tissue necrosis at the base of your corals.

The best advice I can give is take it slow. Try one change at a time. Try feeding for three weeks and assess the results.

Warmest Regards,
James
 
Thanks for the tips everyone. Got some Oysterfeast and Rotifeast on order, should get them sometime next week. Do you recommend feeding both daily or alternating days?
 
most likely lack of trace elements. what salt are you using?

No way, sorry. That is a poor answer, the short answer people throw out there when they dont know what is going on. All the major salts have all the proper trace elements needed and regular water changes will replenish all the minor trace element and even major trace elements depending on the tanks needs. I have never ran into a lack of trace elements and I have been learning to keep sps for 7 years.
I believe the OP needs to feed a bit more and get a little no3 in the water and some detectable po4 is not bad just keep it low. I have gone threw this issue time and again. If I dont feed my tank as much my colors will pale out but if I feed more and let no3 sit at under 10ppm my sps look my better and have great color.
H2Ocean is a good salt but not worth the money you pay for it. It is normal Red Sea salt repackaged and marked up, trust me on this. I use d 1 bucket of H2Ocean to try it out cause I heard so much hype about it. Everything was ok but the mag was lower that I like it, 1100ppm so I needed to buffer the Mg up to 1300ppm. I have had the same results using any salt, name it I have used it with a few exceptions. I am now using either Red Sea normal not the Coral Pro or Seachem Marine Salt not the reef because of the reasonable cost and consistency. Notice I dont use a "reef salt", no need I cost way more and you dose anyways right.
The key to colorful healthy sps is not in the trace elements, what brand you dose, what salt you use, what super awesome new trendy dosing line from..insert brand of choice.... No It is about what I call reefer talent. Reefer talent is the ability to run you tank, it includes stability, lighting, flow, filtration and experience. All are determined by reefer experience. Keep the tank stable and feed a bit more and your sps will color up. When you get to a certain point you can look at your corals and just know something is off and in many cases know right where to look for the issue.
 
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Sorry but in the four years I've had with sps and reefs in general, trace elements do make a difference. It's okay though everyone has different stories to tell! :)
 
Ca alk and mag are the only ones you need to worry about. All others are replaced by water changes. When I tried fixing problems with trace elements it only made things worse. See the stability thing. For the last few years I have let my tanks run on auto pilot and things could not be better.
 
allsps40 I have been lurking and watching your theads for awhile.Were you able to finally get good color on your sps?
 
Sorry but in the four years I've had with sps and reefs in general, trace elements do make a difference. It's okay though everyone has different stories to tell! :)
For 4 years is just the tip of the ice burg. I remember when I was at 4 years. I thought I knew it all, yes I could keep sps alive and growing but they were not thriving and colors where not so great. Each new year I learn more and more and even have to unlearn some things that are not true. I do not claim to be an expert and I never stop reading, researching and learning about this wonder hobby. In my time reef keeping I have wasted hundreds of dollars on different additives that are said to be the best thing out there and you add this to the tank and your colors will be super bright and the corals will grow out of the tank. 100% BS. It is reefer talent that makes the colors awesome and corals grow crazy fast.

allsps40 I have been lurking and watching your theads for awhile.Were you able to finally get good color on your sps?
Yes. Like I said depending the colors will fade a bit if I dont feed as much. I found that the more I leave the tank on auto pilot and just keep it stable the better the sps do. I have even brought out the purples and blues that I had such a hard time with. I dosed iodine, potassium, Coral Kolor, tried ULNS and none helped with color. In fact sometimes it would cause iuuses. I know I could a little better color by lowering my lights a little but then it makes it a pain to work on the tank. So it a trade off and I am please. I need to post up some new pics in my threads.
 
Calm down, it's okay! I am in no way an expert either, so that makes two of us. I'm sorry that you spent all that money on things you don't need. Everyone has different experiences and you can't really say someone is wrong or not about something in this hobby. IME Iodine and potassium did wonders for my corals' color in a ULNS. Like I said, everyone has different experiences.
 
talent or science? Cuna man that dragon looked so white I cannot believe you saved it awesome...

Thanks, Roger! 13 years in the hobby have taught me a couple things. When I transitioned to the full ZEOVit system I was so focused on minimizing phosphate and nitrate that I ended up hurting my corals. I was in the same position that you see so many of the ULNS in... Pale colors and little to no growth. So what did I do to bring my Red Dragon back you ask? I started feeding. I accepted that some nitrate and phosphate is needed. I tripled the amount of coral vitalizer and began dosing amino acids. I also began feeding roti feast and oyster feast. I learned that my potassium level was low. This is another common problem in tanks that utilize zeolite material. My potassium was 340. I have since raised it to 395 using Pohs K+ Balance Strong. A little over two weeks into my change, and I have a more naturally colored Red Dragon.

Warmest Regards,
James
 
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