Possible Pathogen Based Acro Necrosis
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jay24k
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I think you would be fine there. Could it be something with the spring air? Maybe turn you skimmer off since you are doing so many water changes. Maybe it is pulling the air and mixing it into the tank. Any of you perhaps have allergies? If you do, are you having any issues now? I'm not sure if that helps or not but maybe it isn't your tank at all, but the surrounding conditions since it affects both work and at your house.
carib
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I am not sure if this will help,but a few things comes to my head.1-run a large amount of carbon,2-examine the base of the acro's and see if you can find sponge like,orange, tree forming branches( deadly deasese) 3-take out the GFO for a month+,and last a reputable online vendor might not experiment anything simular what you are dealing with thrue a 100 times bigger system and most of the corals in and out within a weak.Large % of reefs are dying today from unknown bacterial deaseses,hope this is not reaching our tanks.
wentreefgirl
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Dont know about nc this time of year but here in ct we have the the leaf danders starting to come out and the grass spores starting. Not to mention dandilion stuff. But this is new to me as Ive never had anything at this time of year. And its usually specifically one coral only. My tank temp is 78 and isnt fluctuating yet as its just starting to warm up here yet. Hmmm. Good info though.
Kip
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enviro stuff...
man... pollen has been crazy high this year and sustained for a long time. It hasnt rained here but a little 30min sprinkle for a month with no relief in site. I am battling a sinus/allergy cold as I write this.
Thing is... all of these problems started in my frag tank well before pollen season began. I dunno... maybe enviro conditions arent the cause but a contributor.
I've been told by several via PM and sanj alluded to it... that i could drive myself crazy trying to figure this out and stop it where i may just have to let nature run its course.
What is scary... lets say i cut my losses and start over with acros again in 6 months, etc. Lets say they new acquisitions are all healthy and doing well for a year..... then I get one new frag in from someone and all of this starts again.
I know this is the risk that we all take, but I usually not one to set myself up for failure.
man... pollen has been crazy high this year and sustained for a long time. It hasnt rained here but a little 30min sprinkle for a month with no relief in site. I am battling a sinus/allergy cold as I write this.
Thing is... all of these problems started in my frag tank well before pollen season began. I dunno... maybe enviro conditions arent the cause but a contributor.
I've been told by several via PM and sanj alluded to it... that i could drive myself crazy trying to figure this out and stop it where i may just have to let nature run its course.
What is scary... lets say i cut my losses and start over with acros again in 6 months, etc. Lets say they new acquisitions are all healthy and doing well for a year..... then I get one new frag in from someone and all of this starts again.
I know this is the risk that we all take, but I usually not one to set myself up for failure.
Kip
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carib... take GFO offline... yeah.. its been off two weeks ago ... last nite i swapped out the old GFO and placed bags of chemi-pure in the po4 reactor (packed so water is forced thru them)
i've never used this stuff before... it is supposed to be able to pull anything and everything outta water that could be a contaminant and bring everything back to "ionic balance". I am not sure if i buy all of that, but if nothing else... it should be the same thing as running a lot of fresh GAC.
vendors... yeah.. with high turnover of livestock.. they may not see this affliction right away.. .and this is why i wouldnt blame them if the disease came from them. But... they dont turn everything over really fast. There has to be at least a coupla acros that may sit around 2-3-4 months and would show this.
In my system... a new frag introduced almost immediately (within a week) starts receding. So i'd think their newly cut frags or even small wildAC frags would be affected quick enough for them to note. If they'd just started noticing it after reading this thread, that is one thing, but if it had been going on since say Nov-Dec and didnt do anything about it/let others know... i wouldnt be very happy.
i've never used this stuff before... it is supposed to be able to pull anything and everything outta water that could be a contaminant and bring everything back to "ionic balance". I am not sure if i buy all of that, but if nothing else... it should be the same thing as running a lot of fresh GAC.
vendors... yeah.. with high turnover of livestock.. they may not see this affliction right away.. .and this is why i wouldnt blame them if the disease came from them. But... they dont turn everything over really fast. There has to be at least a coupla acros that may sit around 2-3-4 months and would show this.
In my system... a new frag introduced almost immediately (within a week) starts receding. So i'd think their newly cut frags or even small wildAC frags would be affected quick enough for them to note. If they'd just started noticing it after reading this thread, that is one thing, but if it had been going on since say Nov-Dec and didnt do anything about it/let others know... i wouldnt be very happy.
wentreefgirl
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Mine some seem to be stabilizing after loosing most of their tissue. Wish my favorite would stop. Not sure how to frag this one. I might try though. Its my superman porites. Went back to the fs that had it 2 weekends ago and gone. None left. I would post pics but its actually your thread so I will leave it to the minds. So alot of my stuff are bare until you get to the tips. So I will wait until sure of stable and then frag. Something different from you is if i put in new stuff they do ok. My old stuff stns.
I would post pics but its actually your thread so I will leave it to the minds. So alot of my stuff are bare until you get to the tips. So I will wait until sure of stable and then frag. Something different from you is if i put in new stuff they do ok. My old stuff stns.the_anti_honda
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Has that pigeon arrived yet?
Kip
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just fragged away a good bit of the yongei including affected areas.... fragged a coupla spots from the blue tort..... did a TMProCC 20 min bath on each seperately... no signs of any aefw's or anything else in the water... just a coupla dead gam amphs
i also pulled the cluster of orange digi and grn micropthalma from the left side of the tank to open up the flow on that side even more (where the yongei and tort reside)
now it is just wait and see for the tissue thinning and recession to stop
i also pulled the cluster of orange digi and grn micropthalma from the left side of the tank to open up the flow on that side even more (where the yongei and tort reside)
now it is just wait and see for the tissue thinning and recession to stop
the_anti_honda
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Bah...
Well Tuesday is closer then never..
Well Tuesday is closer then never..
Neptune777
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Anyone else in your local area having the same issues? Do you have a club in NC where you can talk with other locals (who buy from the same stores) to see if they have experienced the same thing? IMO this sounds like its isolated to your system's and there might be a common link that we have not determined (non biotic pathogen).
It's actually a good thing you run two different systems and they both have the same issue. Do they run all the exact same equipment and husbandry? If not identical you should do a commonality between them......basically do a "is" and "is not" list to see what is the same and different to narrow down the possible root cause. It could be a pathogen but I suspect something different.....
Any chance you have a crack in a bulb or something releasing harmful UV? It's unlikely since it's happened in two separate systems....but I figured I would toss it out there....
It's actually a good thing you run two different systems and they both have the same issue. Do they run all the exact same equipment and husbandry? If not identical you should do a commonality between them......basically do a "is" and "is not" list to see what is the same and different to narrow down the possible root cause. It could be a pathogen but I suspect something different.....
Any chance you have a crack in a bulb or something releasing harmful UV? It's unlikely since it's happened in two separate systems....but I figured I would toss it out there....
Kip
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no other locals having this problem (that i know of)... yes, we have a club... rather large club... and an active forum
as far as local stores... i dont buy from them... at least not acros (or most any other corals for that matter)
no bulb cracks or u/v shield cracks (i run DEs in the frag tank, the 75g, and over the 20g holding tank at work) i've had a friend get u/v burn from bulbs and his necrosed uniformly from the top down... all corals... across the whole tank
speaking of the 20g holding tank at work where the lokani frag necrosed overnite and the wild acro had some tips recede.... i am beginning to think that is completley unrelated. 1st off.. that 20k leagues lokani is a temperamental coral ... and the receding tips from the wildy were snipped and the recession has stopped. none of the problems i have had here have stopped with fragging.
as far as local stores... i dont buy from them... at least not acros (or most any other corals for that matter)
no bulb cracks or u/v shield cracks (i run DEs in the frag tank, the 75g, and over the 20g holding tank at work) i've had a friend get u/v burn from bulbs and his necrosed uniformly from the top down... all corals... across the whole tank
speaking of the 20g holding tank at work where the lokani frag necrosed overnite and the wild acro had some tips recede.... i am beginning to think that is completley unrelated. 1st off.. that 20k leagues lokani is a temperamental coral ... and the receding tips from the wildy were snipped and the recession has stopped. none of the problems i have had here have stopped with fragging.
Zoom
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Kip
Kip
That may sound crazy but about five years a go i had the same problem .
It may be your DSB getting loaded up with nastys , I pull mine DSB out and everything when back to normal .If you don't like to do that try to siphon clean some of it to see if things gets better.
I don't like to open a can of worms here about DSB/ BB :lol: But that is all i have .
Kip
That may sound crazy but about five years a go i had the same problem .
It may be your DSB getting loaded up with nastys , I pull mine DSB out and everything when back to normal .If you don't like to do that try to siphon clean some of it to see if things gets better.
I don't like to open a can of worms here about DSB/ BB :lol: But that is all i have .
BreadmanMike
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Maybe I missed it Kip, but how long have you been running ozone and uv in relation to this happening?
CAreefer
Premium Member
I would have to lean against the salt (I'm TMPR) and water supply personally, as I'm on the other side of the country. Leaving seasonal change and back to the original topic, pathogen based. I'm going to be the control and leave status quo and maintain husbandry as is and see where things go. I have healthy frags from all afflicted pieces doing well in frag tank, so really nothing to lose other than large colonies, but no pieces. Other than the occasional RTN of a branch or two, mine seems to have stabilized somewhat, and remains solely with the acro species.
CAReefer
CAReefer
Kip
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Zoom... its a shallow bed of 1-2" .... it is a high flow tank so most stuff stays suspended for the skimmer to get. The sand bed is constantly shifted around. In fact, i shifted a lot of it toward the back when i put the rubble bottom in ~march this year. (gen-x c-reactor media)... i'd think that for a sand bed to manifest itself as a problem one would need to see an on-going problem with organics, po4, and/or no3. Have you a bit more info on this i should consider?
