Power outage generator not an option

carlos413

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I got a little back story for you"¦ In the recent New England snow storm we had back in late October I lost around 80% of my corals & also lost four of six of my fish due to a power outage. Some of the fish I had have been with me for 3 plus years. I contemplated on what I was going to do next. The thought of giving up almost came a reality.
What's a guy too do"¦? I went on craigslist and found a 75 gallon and a stand. So instead of giving up I upgraded from a 55 gallon to a 75. Now I just got to figure out what to do in the event I lose power again. I live in an apartment so a generator is out of the question. Anyway thought I share a little story since I haven't been on here for a bit. If anyone have an idea on how I could run a small powerhead and a 200w heater?
Thanks again
 
Don't you have a balcony? Without a generator, your only option is batteries. Batteries are expensive and do not last long, unless you have a whole room full of them.
 
There are things you can do to keep a tank going with out a generator. You can get a battery back up to run your power heads. Also you can get a battery powered air pump. Theses will work but not for a long term power outages. The biggest problem you are going to have when it is cold out is keep the tank warm. Like fishgate said if you have a balcony or a way to lock the generator to something outside that would be the way to go. Good luck on the new build.
 
I was thinking I could use OPTIMA Batteries. Maybe I could get two or three and I could charge them in the car. Alternating them between charges. The only question would be how long I could power a 200w heater I am guessing I could get away with two large batteries operated pumps for oxygen.
 
If you are serious about using car batteries, you need to get a car battery trickle charger that you can keep in the house and keep the batteries charged there. You also will need an inverter to convert the 12 volt DC output of the batteries to 120 volt AC that the heater needs.

For the record, using car batteries is a bad idea. You can kill yourself with car batteries. They have a LOT of power. It is easier to hurt yourself on them then a 120 volt standard 15 amp electrical outlet. Not to mention car batteries will leak hydrogen, which is explosively flammable.

The questions you are asking lead me to believe you should NOT be doing this.

But if you have money to burn, at least give yourself a fighting chance and buy an APC battery backup unit. These are a LOT safer then car batteries.
 
x2 to the comments about electrical safety. Household current is designed to cause muscles to spasm (that's why household AC at 120V alternates at 60Hz, and household AC in Europe alternates at 50Hz - those values cause human muscles to spasm, which will often break the circuit fast enough to save lives - DC at 12V does not.)

That aside:

I have a generator as backup for the tank, but dry camp and boondock a lot (that's to say, camping in a trailer without electric or other hookups) so have some experience at figuring out how long things can operate off of battery alone, or battery-backed solar.

A 200 watt heater pulls roughly 1.67 amps at 120V, so will pull roughly 16.7 amps at 12v, plus losses from whatever inverter you use to convert 12V DC to 120V AC. Figure it at 18 amps.

When looking at batteries for this application, the only number that matters is the reserve capacity. That's a measure of the number of hours the battery can provide an amp of current. The Optima YellowTop D51 has a reserve capacity of 38 amp hours, which means it can provide either 38 amps for an hour, or 1 amp for 38 hours. It can cause premature failure of the battery of it's discharged below half the reserve capacity repeatedly, yielding a useful reserve capacity of just 19 amp hours.

In other words, it will keep your heater going for just slightly over an hour (or a bit over two hours if you don't mind destroying the battery). That's probably not really long enough to be useful.

The best bang for your buck in terms of deep cycle batteries generally comes from 6V golf cart wet cells (GC6 - a pair wired in series will produce 12V and can be bought for around $200). Those will provide 220 amp hours, or a useful capacity of 110 amp hours which would run your heater for about 6 hours - probably enough for overnight (keep in mind, your apartment is getting cold, so the heater will run more than normal). The problem with these, and any other wet cell, is that they discharge hydrogen while charging, so can't be used indoors. For considerably more money (think $1000), you can get AGM versions that are safe for indoors (UPS systems use AGM batteries)...

Another problem you're going to encounter is a need for a way to QUICKLY recharge them. Car alternators typically charge at 50-70 amps, so a car would take about an hour (or less) to recharge the D51 Optima, and about 3 hours to recharge the partially discharged wet cells described above. In either case, that's not very efficient and likely leads to other problems (running out of gas) if you're snowed in... Also, the wet cells above weigh about 75 lbs each, making transporting two of them back and forth between your apartment and the car a non-trivial task.

So what can you do? Not a lot ... If you have the space (think: 10 feet wide, 5 feet tall), a pair of 200 watt solar panels will provide enough power to run the heater while the sun is shining, plus a short time after it goes down (hooked up with the Optima D51)... Probably not enough... Also, they're heavy (~45 lbs each, if you have to move them around, and fragile) and expensive.

My suggestion is to seriously consider how you can put a generator on a balcony, or locked to a tree outside the apartment, or something like that. An inverter generator like the Honda EU1000 is small, lightweight, relatively quiet, and wouldn't use a lot of gas.
 
living in an apartment shouldn't deter you from looking at generators. look at the honda's, super quiet and you can plumb the exhaust out of the window.

save yourself the headache of using batteries. trust me!
 
I would get a Honda eu2000. Super quiet and dependable. No one would even notice you were running a generator on your balcony.
 
As someone who has gone through a 6 day power outage in winter myself I would agree on getting a generator. I thought I could get by heating water on a camp stove and adding it back in, which did help keep it up but I had to boil water every 2 hours and after a day I couldn't keep up any more. Finally I had a buddy downstate who wasn't hit by the storm lend me a generator. I've never looked back. I first thought of just getting a small 1000watt generator just for the reef but then opted for a 5500 watt one to run most of the house. In your case the big generators are out of the question but the 1000 watt ones are fairly small and should fit on a balcony no problem. The noise could be a problem fro your neighbors but at that point who cares. I provided a link to a small 1500 watt one at Home Depot so you can get an idea of what I'm talking about.


http://www.homedepot.com/Outdoors-O...splay?langId=-1&storeId=10051&catalogId=10053
 
I am sold on the generator. My biggest issue would be noise and cost. It’s an apartment building noise would be a big issue. The other problem I have is a home owner that is less than 20 feet from my porch.
 
I am sold on the generator. My biggest issue would be noise and cost. It's an apartment building noise would be a big issue. The other problem I have is a home owner that is less than 20 feet from my porch.

if your worried about your neighbors, get a more powerful generator then you need, yes it might cost more now, but when the power goes out you can offer them electricity for their fridge or heater. trust me... they won't complain about the noise. ;)
 
living in an apartment shouldn't deter you from looking at generators. look at the honda's, super quiet and you can plumb the exhaust out of the window.


Are you out of your mind?
 
living in an apartment shouldn't deter you from looking at generators. look at the honda's, super quiet and you can plumb the exhaust out of the window.


Are you out of your mind?

PLEASE!! Do not do this!! Carbon Manoxide is a killer.
 
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