Prodibio

[kirstenk]

I wonder why they didn't make the dose amount smaller, like up to 100g instead of 250g. That would be nice!

 

[mikeatjac]

I am with melev. I think you have to be careful with the dosing.

 

[DARKSILENTTYPE]

I finally took some pics tonight . You want to see my tank ?

 

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The center of the tank is a 14000 bulb and the ends are 10000 bulbs .They all should 10000 as of last week but I broke the center one installing it .

 

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This is four coral pieces I got from the local fish store to try this type of system out . I started with zeovit

These are on 12-17-2005

 

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Now today they look like this

first pic

 

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Second pic

 

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The third pic

 

[physicslord]

You'de better watch out.
The bubble aglae is taking over. That stuff is hard core.

 

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The forth

All these have other frags around the tank .You can see them inthe full tank shots

DST

 

[physicslord]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7743978#post7743978 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by trmiv
I saw on the robsreef.com prodibio forum that Rob from Rob's Reef asked the Prodibio people about it, and they said Biodigest can't be overdosed.

My rule of thumb on things like that is if the medicine can't be overdosed, then it doesn't do anything.

 

[DARKSILENTTYPE]

I know I keep removing it and more comes back its a never ending battle .

 

[kirstenk]

You've had good growth on those pieces.

 

[cerreta]

I can understand the logic behind the starter strands of bacteria. Rationally, the Biodigest has one billion or so bacterial cells. It is kept in a tiny 1-3ml vial. Even if this was extremely concentrated, I find it hard to believe that the live sand does not have at least teh same quantity of bacteria, say one billion cells in 3-4 square inches.

Therefore this seems logical that the biodigest is a starter colony. Without a proper fuel source growth is limited. This leads me to believe that the contributing factor to overdosing is the fuel source.

Bacteria multiply in hours. If plenty of food source is available in the aquaria at the time of dosing Biodigest, then it seems reasonable that an overwhelming population of bacteria may exist in 24 hours. Thus, RTN disease may be a result of a bacterial infection of corals due to an overwhelming bloom of the bacteria, because of overdosing a fuel.

On the flip side, one may argue that if you only dose 1/2 a billion cells then the first generation offspring will double to 1 billion cells, which is where we would have started if a whole vial was dosed.

I'm not sure where the OD faults lay, but these are some ideas to toos around. Any thoughts?

 

[melev]

My only thought is to <i>not</i> overdose the product again.

 

[ZoeReef]

Perhaps our marine biologist friend could chime in again. You make some excellent points here. I guess one of the questions becomes 'what limits the bacteria population?' Do they simply run out of food and die out? Is that the reason Digest needs to be added every 15 days. At what point is 'bacterial equilibrium' reached. Assuming that there is always at lease some food in the water, why would the strain entirely disappear? And your point is well taken about dosing the entire contents. Would it really make a difference?

 

[TryTheChi]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7746362#post7746362 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by cerreta
I can understand the logic behind the starter strands of bacteria. Rationally, the Biodigest has one billion or so bacterial cells. It is kept in a tiny 1-3ml vial. Even if this was extremely concentrated, I find it hard to believe that the live sand does not have at least teh same quantity of bacteria, say one billion cells in 3-4 square inches.

Therefore this seems logical that the biodigest is a starter colony. Without a proper fuel source growth is limited. This leads me to believe that the contributing factor to overdosing is the fuel source.

Bacteria multiply in hours. If plenty of food source is available in the aquaria at the time of dosing Biodigest, then it seems reasonable that an overwhelming population of bacteria may exist in 24 hours. Thus, RTN disease may be a result of a bacterial infection of corals due to an overwhelming bloom of the bacteria, because of overdosing a fuel.

On the flip side, one may argue that if you only dose 1/2 a billion cells then the first generation offspring will double to 1 billion cells, which is where we would have started if a whole vial was dosed.

I'm not sure where the OD faults lay, but these are some ideas to toos around. Any thoughts?

I wouldnt overdose anything - but it makes sense to pay particular attention to not overdosing on the bac foods, and only building up to full dosage recommendations if needed.

Was anyone who experienced problems using vodka as a carbon source? A risk of vodka as I understand it is that its an indescriminate bac food and can also feed bacs that cause TN. Both zeo and Prodi claim that thier bac foods target just the nitrogen cycle bacs - not sure if thats plausible biologically - but it could be?

 

[ZoeReef]

Major Cyano Problem.

150 net gallon three-tank system, all tanks interconnected.

Tank setup - May 26

First Prodibio June 30. 1/2 Digest 1 Bioptim

2nd Prodibio July 9 1/2 Digest ...Due to heavy algae

3rd Prodibio July 15 1 Digest, 2 Bioptim.. Still heavy algae

July 18 - I have heavy red slime algae and some green. I bought a lawnmower blenny, now named Lenny, who to this point has been AWOL.

I couldn't take it because red slime began covering my corals so I researched threads on ChemiClean red slime remover, got positive responses, and I added that this evening.

I have probably been too conservative in adding Digest in the early stages. What I have done has clearly not won the algae battle. So I'm looking for suggestions. The ChemiClean is a 48 hr treatment with skimmer off and carbon off (I have two strong bubblers going in the main tank).

My guess is that if you are using Digest in the early stages of a new tank, you may need to add Digest more aggressively. From what I read and hear, its not unusual to experience algae like this in the early stages of a tank. Is cyano on corals (zoos) a problem?

Nitrates had been up to 20, but recently were about 5.
Phosphates are fairly low as well. ORP running about 350. pH 8.15. Fish and corals happy except for my new lazy blenny.

Any suggestions on upping the Digest and Bioptim doses?

 

[kirstenk]

Lots of new tanks go thru the algae and cyano blooms. I dunno if more Digest would help or not. Cyano can choke corals if it gets too thick. The chemi clean will get rid of it and I will be interested in your notes following dosing as I wonder if it will kill the Prodibio Bacteria.

I know a Zeo Head who has used ChemiClean on more than one occasion and had no ill effects with Zeo dosing.

 

[ROR]

I would have cut my photo period back by 25% instead of the Chemiclean. Cyano is just part of the natural process. I just went though it when I switched from PC to T5 lighting; even nastier than when I first set up my tank

Rob