Prodibio

[Creetin]

Thanks, where can one get potassium nitrate? I have a remote dsb in my fuge about 6 inches of Southdown in a 28 gallon tank and about 60 lbs of liverock. My main tank is a SSB with about 2-3 inches of seachems greycoast. The frag tank is BB and the sump is well a sump no lr or sand.
I had a feeling the low to no No3 could be hindering to po4 removal via vodka. I added a plethora of small fish and feed a lot more to boost No3, But its useless as its getting taken up fast.
I didn't really believe that No3 was really beneficial to anything but waste prior to the vodka dosing, Now I am thinking.
I dosed sugar,vinegar, and vodka much like the link provided but thought maybe that I was letting the tank get monopolized by one bak strain so I decided to try prodibio.
I tried ammino's and they just add fuel to the fire, and fed po4s and darkened up sps plus gave me more algea on the glass.
If i dosed ammino's the next day the sides would need to be cleaned off of dino's.

 

[Creetin]

I will get a new tropic marin test kit to see if this ones getting good numbers.

 

[glassbox-design]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12079632#post12079632 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Creetin

I tried ammino's and they just add fuel to the fire, and fed po4s and darkened up sps plus gave me more algea on the glass.
If i dosed ammino's the next day the sides would need to be cleaned off of dino's.

If adding amino's (nitrogen) to the tank caused blooms, I would not think your tank is nitrogen limited, unless you OD'd on the AA's.

With that said try and get your accurate po4 and no3 numbers so you can get n and p in balance.


Zedar,

I'll looik up the SC product, but I dont trust bacteria in a bottle unless cooled...I am a skeptic over FM's new bac. For now I'll stick with prodibio, the glass ampoules just look cool


Like Z said, aminos and elements are extremely important for bac driven systems.

 

[Lagger]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12079520#post12079520 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Zedar
With any of the bacteria driven systems you need to dose amino acids.
Potassium is also a factor.

I dose AA's. No potassium, but it's present in my stonti supplement.

anyone else?

 

[Creetin]

Just tested po4 and its 0.04 so it went up a little. Per hanna
The new test kit says No3 is low it barely has a tint to it under the lowest it will go. so it possibly is under 5ppm.
I will add the second 2 amps of c from the prodibio clean kit i got.
I just added 2 yesterday and didnt dose the second 2.
I noticed some new growth of red cotton algea in the sump today where it was not yesterday.

 

[Zedar]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12080121#post12080121 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Creetin
Just tested po4 and its 0.04 so it went up a little. Per hanna
The new test kit says No3 is low it barely has a tint to it under the lowest it will go. so it possibly is under 5ppm.
I will add the second 2 amps of c from the prodibio clean kit i got.
I just added 2 yesterday and didnt dose the second 2.
I noticed some new growth of red cotton algea in the sump today where it was not yesterday.

Well if your measuring ANY No3 then your not limited. No3 levels on a reef in figii are around .02. Your not going to find a hobbiests test kit to measure that low.

This method takes time to remove all the excess CRAP from our systems.
Its also possible that your DSB in the fuge is releasing phosphates.
Take a scoop of sand from the fuge and mix it with RO/DI water give it a good shake every few hours let it stand for 24 hours then take a phosphate measurment of the water.

If thats your source of phosphates you'll need to replace or remove that DSB.

 

[Zedar]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12079807#post12079807 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by glassbox-design

Zedar,

I'll looik up the SC product, but I dont trust bacteria in a bottle unless cooled...I am a skeptic over FM's new bac. For now I'll stick with prodibio, the glass ampoules just look cool

Well Prodbio isnt that expensive. So no biggie.

I guess your skepticism is due to the fact that the bacteria are in a bottle.
I know it seems crazy but bacteria can be freeze dried then reconstituted.

Not sure reconstituted is the right word, but you get the idea

 

[Canarygirl]

This method takes time to remove all the excess CRAP from our systems. Its also possible that your DSB in the fuge is releasing phosphates.

Take a scoop of sand from the fuge and mix it with RO/DI water give it a good shake every few hours let it stand for 24 hours then take a phosphate measurment of the water.

If thats your source of phosphates you'll need to replace or remove that DSB.

Really? Don't the phosphates get depleted eventually? I've been dosing with Zeovit for 5 months now and have signs, I think, of excess phosphates (plenty of algae of various types growing on rocks and powerheads, etc.). But on the zeo forum they just say to "be patient" and after enough months the phosphate will be depleted from the LR and sand. I am looking for ways to speed up the process (vodka? Prodibio + Zeovit a la Iwan?) Sand is mixture of crushed coral and aragonite previously used in another system and is 1-2" deep, so not a DSB.

 

[glassbox-design]

Canary,

sounds like it's doing it's job. po4 is leaching out of the rocks and sandbed. you're essentially cooking the LR in your display system.


i would not mess around with it, give it time.

 

[PSam]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12080756#post12080756 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Canarygirl
...after enough months the phosphate will be depleted from the LR and sand. I am looking for ways to speed up the process (vodka? Prodibio + Zeovit a la Iwan?)...

Maybe a dumb question, but have you thoroughly 'blown out' your rock and dead spots with a strong power head or baster? I found that had a dramatic effect on speed with which PO4 levels dropped in my tank (while using prodibio). I didn't notice how much crap was really in there until I did it eveyr couple days for a couple weeks and crap kept on coming. I now do it ~ once a month, haven't really seen PO4 return aside from mini spikes due to negligence or laziness on my part (still using prodibio + ultra).

 

[Zedar]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12080756#post12080756 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Canarygirl
Really? Don't the phosphates get depleted eventually? I've been dosing with Zeovit for 5 months now and have signs, I think, of excess phosphates (plenty of algae of various types growing on rocks and powerheads, etc.). But on the zeo forum they just say to "be patient" and after enough months the phosphate will be depleted from the LR and sand. I am looking for ways to speed up the process (vodka? Prodibio + Zeovit a la Iwan?) Sand is mixture of crushed coral and aragonite previously used in another system and is 1-2" deep, so not a DSB.

As glassbox stated its leeching out of your rock and sand. With time it will be consumed by the bacteria.

if you dont want to wait that long then replace it.

 

[Canarygirl]

I have an eyelash blenny that digs in the sandbed, making a sandstorm that coats the LR. So I blow it off with a turkey baster every day or two and I've been doing that ever since I got him--maybe 3 months now.

Thanks for your response, also glassbox design...

I do have a box of Prodibio Bioclean in my cupboard that I haven't used. Do you think I could hurt anything if I added this in to what I'm already doing with Zeovit?

 

[Creetin]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12080996#post12080996 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Zedar
As glassbox stated its leeching out of your rock and sand. With time it will be consumed by the bacteria.

if you dont want to wait that long then replace it.

Could it be a overdose zeo additives? I have seen start2 overdoses which algea took off on its own.

Also The Remote dsb in my tank is under a year old, and my system has been somewhat low nutrient since day one. Po4 has never been above 0.05 This system is under 2 years old.
Also thats why its a remote dsb so i can remove it easily. Well easier than the tank anyways. Thanks for the thoughts!

CAnary i would not start adding any extra bak and c source to what your doing with zeo. Just my 2 cents i have used zeo before this setup.

 

[Canarygirl]

thanks, all....

 

[Zedar]

Creetin,

How long have you been dosing?

 

[Creetin]

I started dosing zeo in jan 2006, and stopped in november 2006
If youre talking prodibio i started yesterday.

 

[PogoMonogo]

I am extremely interested in this, but I have NO idea where to start. I have a 90g system thats about a year old. I click the links for vendors people provide and start reading, but I am really unsure which product to go with. Are people using the Biodigest Pro? There are too many damn products, haha.

 

[Zedar]

Creetin,

In the year you ran zeo did you manage to get the P04 down below .03?

 

[murraycamp]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12084365#post12084365 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Creetin
I started dosing zeo in jan 2006, and stopped in november 2006
If youre talking prodibio i started yesterday.

Creetin:

Why did you stop? No results? Adverse effects? I am starting Zeo and Prodi (on different tanks) an am curious.

Peace :bounce1:

 

[Creetin]

Lets just say it was very negative and i have to say use your own judgement, and be carefull.
It works and can work well IMO, But arm yourself by reading all the neg threads there so you know what to look for when something go's bad.