Prodibio
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cerreta
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Here is an update wit pictures of the reference corals. The tank is now 1 month 2 weeks old. I have been using Prodibio as described in the previous response for 2 weeks and one day.
General notes: I have noticed a few more zoo frags closing up. I believe this to be more of a problem with nusiance algae growing on them rather than the prodibio. I will likely dip and prune them in the next few days.
I also have seen problems with the Hydnophora. I fragged off three limbs that were approaching a nearby candycane coral. Since that, there has been some recession on a few sections of this coral. I'm not sure the cause. Maybe a bacterial infection. Anyone have ideas?
Pics:
Pink Zoos. I did not have these on the original reference list, but will add it now.
Blood Orange Zoos. These have been mostly closed up for about a week. They looked so great before. I think this is an algae issue.
Orange Montipora Digi. The color may be better in the tips where they have become pink. It looks like the tips all have growth buds too.
Full Tank shot. See the algae growth on the foam back wall?
Damicornis. No change.
Blastos, no change.
Acropora sp. The polyps have still not fully extended on this coral. However, I do notice a bit more greenish color to a few branches.
Acropora nana close-up. This coral had the most notable change over two weeks. Colors are vibrant purple at the tips with great PE. This picture does not reveal the PE that I have been observing with this coral.
General notes: I have noticed a few more zoo frags closing up. I believe this to be more of a problem with nusiance algae growing on them rather than the prodibio. I will likely dip and prune them in the next few days.
I also have seen problems with the Hydnophora. I fragged off three limbs that were approaching a nearby candycane coral. Since that, there has been some recession on a few sections of this coral. I'm not sure the cause. Maybe a bacterial infection. Anyone have ideas?
Pics:
Pink Zoos. I did not have these on the original reference list, but will add it now.
Blood Orange Zoos. These have been mostly closed up for about a week. They looked so great before. I think this is an algae issue.
Orange Montipora Digi. The color may be better in the tips where they have become pink. It looks like the tips all have growth buds too.
Full Tank shot. See the algae growth on the foam back wall?
Damicornis. No change.
Blastos, no change.
Acropora sp. The polyps have still not fully extended on this coral. However, I do notice a bit more greenish color to a few branches.
Acropora nana close-up. This coral had the most notable change over two weeks. Colors are vibrant purple at the tips with great PE. This picture does not reveal the PE that I have been observing with this coral.
cerreta
Premium Member
Blue Tort and friends. Much better PE on the blue tort. Freinds look the same.
Blue tort Close-up
Hydnophora. You can see the recessed branches on the bottom left and bottom right. Not sure what happened here. I did not frag anything over on the right side either.
Blue zoos. Been closed up for a couple of days.
Today, Monday I just got home from work and most of the zoo colonies are opening up, about 50%. This includes the blues and the blood-oranges.
Blue tort Close-up
Hydnophora. You can see the recessed branches on the bottom left and bottom right. Not sure what happened here. I did not frag anything over on the right side either.
Blue zoos. Been closed up for a couple of days.
Today, Monday I just got home from work and most of the zoo colonies are opening up, about 50%. This includes the blues and the blood-oranges.
I am still using reefresh from polyplab with prodibio.
I am somewhere around10-20% of recommended doseage. I can't say for sure because I don't know which dropper gives more or less than intended. this is a problem they need to fix but if you are careful and alert the product should be safe to use at this dosage and likely much higher. just don't use the clear liquids at more than 50%. I think they are thinner therfor dropping more volume per drop. I can always be wrong of course. just what i think.
I dose 1 vial of digest,optim and booster per week. I just started booster again tonight after about a month off of it. my algea is going away from the reefresh overdose so here we go again for another round. I will wait a couple more weeks before trying a higher dosage. I like prodibio alot I think but I do not think it is a complete sytem. I personally think the corals need more food and will turn too light without more. maybe an extra vial a week would help in the middle of the week. or half vial for some I speak of my tank when I talk dosing.
I am somewhere around10-20% of recommended doseage. I can't say for sure because I don't know which dropper gives more or less than intended. this is a problem they need to fix but if you are careful and alert the product should be safe to use at this dosage and likely much higher. just don't use the clear liquids at more than 50%. I think they are thinner therfor dropping more volume per drop. I can always be wrong of course. just what i think.
I dose 1 vial of digest,optim and booster per week. I just started booster again tonight after about a month off of it. my algea is going away from the reefresh overdose so here we go again for another round. I will wait a couple more weeks before trying a higher dosage. I like prodibio alot I think but I do not think it is a complete sytem. I personally think the corals need more food and will turn too light without more. maybe an extra vial a week would help in the middle of the week. or half vial for some I speak of my tank when I talk dosing.
im interested in starting to use prodibio. is there one specific part that negativly affects zoas? I have a very nice zoa population in my system and dont want to kill them off.
also, i would be interested in using the Iwan method (prodibio + zeovit AAHC and CV). would I need to use all of the prodibio suppliments or would i just need afew of the difrent suppliments?
also, i would be interested in using the Iwan method (prodibio + zeovit AAHC and CV). would I need to use all of the prodibio suppliments or would i just need afew of the difrent suppliments?
ZoeReef
New member
Congratulations reefman! In one short sentence you have actually identified what the 'Iwan method' is. :thumbsup:
Do others agree that this is, in summary, what the Iwan method is fundamentally about?
I am a novice and finding it very challenging trying to sort through all the different additives - what they are - what they do - and in determining what the 'Iwan method' really is; in spite of much reading (including the entire Iwan thread) this is still quite complex and being a simple guy, at times confusing for me. Iwan says that he looks at the corals and the tank condition tells him what to add..so..there must be something he sees that says to him 'water looks murky...need to add ___' or 'corals look subdued..need to add___'
Perhaps I am oversimplifying this but I can't imagine Iwan is just dropping additives in his tank and hoping good results happen. I don't imagine Iwan is just being lucky to get those kind of results.
At the same time I think there must be some danger in dropping supplements/additives/bacteria from a variety of different systems in the tank without knowing what's really in the vial and hoping they will somehow work together for good. It would seem that there's as significant chance they will work together for bad. And indeed, if something did go wrong, what caused it? How could you even know?
The original post on this thread stated:
The fundamental question was: Does Prodibio work?
It would seem that there are really going to be three kinds of people posting in this thread. First would be those who are attempting to replicate Iwan's success using the additives he has posted. The second would be those who are going straight Prodibio and sticking to their instructions, and the third would be those who are freeform combining Prodibio with other products. Please understand that I am NOT inferring that any of these approaches is better/worse; right or wrong. I'm just saying there seems to be three ways of approaching the question of: Does Prodibio work. However if you mix Prodibio with other systems and things go south, you really can't say that Prodibio 'doesn't work'. You could say, Prodibio and what I did - that didn't work, and that can be valuable in and of itself. Of course if indeed you follow the Prodibio protocol without other additives, then you can answer the Prodibio pure question. Likewise if you follow Iwan's protocol directly, then too, you have an answer to that question as well. I am now waiting for my shipment of Prodibio products (6 weeks and counting..) and so this thread is perfect for me.
I know Edison was famous for learning from the things that didn't work and I really appreciate those who step out and try new things and post those results both good and bad so that we can all learn.
hey zoe this method has been labeled the iwan method when I think alot of europeans are using a very similar method. I like prodibio but I don't think it is complete enough. I am sure I stated this somewhere before but who knows were. I think corals may need more food to be happier than eating mostly once a week. corals in the wild have daily feedings for the most part. planktonic or photosynthetic. I am not sure with such nutrient poor water like we are trying to achieve that the coral will get enough food to stay healthy with out supplimental feedings. I can't say for sure but this is probably why iwan and many others like myself want to use other sources for food. only my guess there but at least my reason for using 2 lines of products. I have only been using the products a short time but I have learned some things to look for to realize if I am overdosing. I can't say ok I need to add more of this one product yet but I am hoping the future's experience will help. also tagging along and listening to what other people do will help and checking out pics of there coral and finding out what exactly they are doing and make adjustments from there also.
it would be alot easier if things would happen faster. you may be messing up for over a month before you say hey is that coral looking more brown than purple and by the time you figure out yep it's a shade or 2 more brown something not showing anys signs can die over night. I would say very tricky to get a handle on.
good luck and use your best judgement not iwans or prodibio or zeo's just know your taking a chance no matter what you try.
it would be alot easier if things would happen faster. you may be messing up for over a month before you say hey is that coral looking more brown than purple and by the time you figure out yep it's a shade or 2 more brown something not showing anys signs can die over night. I would say very tricky to get a handle on.
good luck and use your best judgement not iwans or prodibio or zeo's just know your taking a chance no matter what you try.
kirstenk
23.5 Degrees
Congratulations reefman! In one short sentence you have actually identified what the 'Iwan method' is.
Do others agree that this is, in summary, what the Iwan method is fundamentally about?
I don't agree. Iwan has used, may still be using Zeo's Start2, Spur2 and products from NightSun.
I do not think his method can be replicated. It is designed for his system and I do think in the beginning he dropped stuff into his tank to see what would happen. From there he has fine tuned it to meet his tanks needs. We have to remember that he came onto RC with a full blown SPS system. He has given very little info about the ups and downs it took to get it there.
At the same time I think there must be some danger in dropping supplements/additives/bacteria from a variety of different systems in the tank without knowing what's really in the vial and hoping they will somehow work together for good. It would seem that there's as significant chance they will work together for bad. And indeed, if something did go wrong, what caused it? How could you even know?
Hmm............well in my case when I encountered my glitch I slowly eliminated additions looking for the culprit. I'm still in the process but I think I have found what didn't work in my tank and I will not reintroduce it although I feel I could at a much smaller dosage.
Then there are my Vodka additions and I have introduced/stopped them on more than one occasion. In my tank, I see positive results. From its effect on cyano to its effects on SPS coral coloration.
Andy, if you are still waiting on Prodibio you should contact Rob as he did have some problems getting product and orders out. I know he got it back in so your order may have been lost.
Do others agree that this is, in summary, what the Iwan method is fundamentally about?
I don't agree. Iwan has used, may still be using Zeo's Start2, Spur2 and products from NightSun.
I do not think his method can be replicated. It is designed for his system and I do think in the beginning he dropped stuff into his tank to see what would happen. From there he has fine tuned it to meet his tanks needs. We have to remember that he came onto RC with a full blown SPS system. He has given very little info about the ups and downs it took to get it there.
At the same time I think there must be some danger in dropping supplements/additives/bacteria from a variety of different systems in the tank without knowing what's really in the vial and hoping they will somehow work together for good. It would seem that there's as significant chance they will work together for bad. And indeed, if something did go wrong, what caused it? How could you even know?
Hmm............well in my case when I encountered my glitch I slowly eliminated additions looking for the culprit. I'm still in the process but I think I have found what didn't work in my tank and I will not reintroduce it although I feel I could at a much smaller dosage.
Then there are my Vodka additions and I have introduced/stopped them on more than one occasion. In my tank, I see positive results. From its effect on cyano to its effects on SPS coral coloration.
Andy, if you are still waiting on Prodibio you should contact Rob as he did have some problems getting product and orders out. I know he got it back in so your order may have been lost.
reefbooster is a prodibio product and is available at the same place you get other prodibio products. I think it's robsreef.com
I ordered a 30 pack so it's hard to keep track of where everything comes from. I always buy bulk when I can to ease the price a bit.
thanks kirsten
I ordered a 30 pack so it's hard to keep track of where everything comes from. I always buy bulk when I can to ease the price a bit.
thanks kirsten
bosborn1
In Memoriam
Is anyone using Spur2 or B-Balance. The whole removing zooxethallae thing kind of scares me. Does this mean that your corals exsist in a partially bleached state? I remeber Iwan saying something about maintaining coral in a partially bleached state to bring out more color....Does this frighten anyone else or is it safe?
Scott
Scott
