Prodibio

[Fatboy]

Three (3) weeks ago I started with the Prodibio system........

My tank is 150 gallon and I'm dosing the following:

- Bio Digest: 1 ampoule per week (at least for the first month. After that, I'm planning to dose every two weeks).
- Bioptim: 3 ampoules per week
- Reef Booster: 1 ampoule per week

I'm also dosing the following ZEO products:

- AAHC (Amino Acid) 6 drops per day
- CV (Coral Food) 7 drops per day
- ZEO K-balance 1 ml daily
- ZEO Macroelements 1 ml daily

I'm not using zeolites of any kind.

I also have a big bottle of ZEOstart 2 but I haven't tried it. Should I dose it if I'm already using the Bio Optim ? How much should I dose daily ?

I also have ZEOback but once again, I haven't tried it because of Prodibio. Can I mix both products ?

Would you change any of the dosage I described ?

 

[robthorn]

I have 4 anemones and they have never looked better. 3 roses and 1 long tentacle.
if you mix I would start with very low dosages. iwan started a product at 10% and so did I. when I tried higher there were negative effects. other people may have different experiences.

 

[kirstenk]

Hey Fatboy,

Everyone is kinda doing things a little differently as each tank is different and I try to base my dosage to what I see.

At one time (in Jan) Iwan did dose Start2 at 1ml per 25g per day. I never saw where he used Zeobac.

Robert..........I like the idea of less more often. Makes sense.

 

[kirstenk]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7677775#post7677775 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by melev
Well, my subscription to this thread just paid off. Thanks guys. Now, do I really put in 6 Bioptim or stay with 3 every two weeks?

Marc, will you drop to 2 amp of Digest? Maybe you could do like Robert and try every week.

2 amp Digest or a little less
3 amp Bioptim

I wonder why Prodibio suggest every two weeks?

 

[DARKSILENTTYPE]

I am interested in the relationship between the Digest and the Bioptim . What happens if you don't dose enough of biooptim will the digetst bac start eating other stuff like acros?

DST

 

[Fatboy]

Thanks for the answer....

kirstenk,

I will try with 2 ml of ZEOstart 2 daily and see what happens. I think the bottle says daily and 1 ml per 100 liters (25 gallon).

 

[DARKSILENTTYPE]

I use start 2 at 2ml a day in a 135 gallon tank with about 165 water volume . FATBOY

 

[DARKSILENTTYPE]

Some thing that I have noticed is if you just stop using these products it will have a negative affect on your tank . I had some issues after not using anything for about a week . ( anything meaning the zeo products that I use ) START2 AAHC PI and CV BY POHLS

DST

 

[Fatboy]

Thanks DARKSILENTTYPE...... I will give it a try.

 

[melev]

I could do 1 and 3, Kirsten - and dose that weekly as well. I think the 14 day bacterial life span is why the schedule is what it is.

 

[kirstenk]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7679597#post7679597 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by DARKSILENTTYPE
I am interested in the relationship between the Digest and the Bioptim . What happens if you don't dose enough of biooptim will the digetst bac start eating other stuff like acros?

DST

This is copied off the BioKit.

Bio Digest: purifies aquarium waters by biologically digesting organic wastes.

Bioptim: Adds all the essential trace elements and increases the effinciency of BioDigest. It is the natural complement to using reverse osmosis water. Bioptim is necessary for invertebrates growth and for bacterial populations that reduce nitrates and phosphates by decomposing waste products.

 

[ZoeReef]

A story, a question and a suggestion

A story, a question and a suggestion

I was a USAF Instructor Pilot at Williams when it was an AFB. My job was to teach flying, aerobatics, instruments, navigation and formation flying. We would brief each flight and I would tell the students exactly what worked. When I was teaching them how to land I would tell them to set the throttles at 72% on final with gear and half flaps and if they did that, they would fly a perfect glide path. I knew that because I knew the jet. Now what would you think of the student who'se never flown this jet who decides he's going to intentionally set the throttle at 80% when trying to land?

I am curious about something. We have products made by a company called Prodibio. Now no one really knows all of what's in these vials. So they make this product, they actually develop or refine a variety of bacteria and additives designed to make a tank look great. Unlike you and me, they work with it all day long. These are people who'se only job is to make this stuff, try it, test it, refine it. They've used it in hundreds of tanks. And based on all of this, they produce a set of instructions. They tell you what works.

Now, do you think they develop these instructions because they want you to have a bad experience with their product, or do you think they include them because they know what's in the product, they've worked with it for years, and these instructions work. If you had spent years producing a product, would you send it out with instructions that will make people want to buy it again?

I think it interesting that here we are not even knowing what is in the bottle and and we're changing every kind of dosage. I mean, if they say add it every 15 days, why do you think they said that? We can't even measure what it is and they have a computer full of charts that shows them exactly what the bacteria are doing every hour. So I propose something radical. Something, so off the charts it almost seems it could not work. I propose:

Follow the instructions!

Gasp! Of course later on in flying, you pitch out way too fast, pull a 3G turn, slam the throttles to idle, side-slip it with rudder to slow down so you can drop the gear in the turn with throttles at idle, flaps at full, speed brake and drop it on so nicely...

but not yet... not yet...

 

[kirstenk]

Since I just started up again I will stick with the two week interval and see how it goes. But I will up the Bioptim to 3 per instructions.

I can already see better water clarity again and this is with taking ozone off.

 

[ZoeReef]

kirsten.. I was very interested to see what would happen in your tank w/o the ozone, especially how the clarity compares.

 

[robthorn]

zoe that was a good story but would you land the exact same way with a cessna 152 and a 310? or even an f15 and an f18? are they all landed with 72% throttle? all of our tanks are different from the manufacturers. I have not seen any data showing prodibio ever tested there own product. I am sure they have but not all scientists are smart people when it comes to sense.

 

[ROR]

Well said ZoeReef, and thank you! In our quest to make our reef tanks just a little bit better we can tend to overlook the obvious.

Rob

 

[glbtrottr]

Prodibio, and...planes?

Prodibio, and...planes?

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7680085#post7680085 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by robthorn
zoe that was a good story but would you land the exact same way with a cessna 152 and a 310? or even an f15 and an f18? are they all landed with 72% throttle? all of our tanks are different from the manufacturers. I have not seen any data showing prodibio ever tested there own product. I am sure they have but not all scientists are smart people when it comes to sense.

You land a 172 at approximately 60 knots.
A 152 at about 55.
a 310 at 80/85 depending on the model.
An F-18 is 110 max, and 119 mil zero bank - the E and F's have 10 knots slower landing speed. :rollface:

So what does this have to do with reefing?

Rule of thumb is 1.3 times the stall speed of the plane, 152, 172, 310, or my Mooney

The directions I see on prodibio are based on the number of liters / gallons of the aquarium... while approximate, sounds like 1.3 times the stall speed to me...I'm with Zoereef...

 

[kirstenk]

Prodibio has a recommended dosage what they call average. All these products do. It is only a starting place and most who have left the "average" dosage have done so after they have been on it awhile.

Here is something else written by Prodibio. Ya can tell by the translation to English.

Why 15 days?

BIO DIGEST is particularly efficient the 2 weeks that follow its application. Bacterial multiplication speeds, different according to strains, allow to preserve these optimal purification proportions 15 days. If one wants to accelerate the process of purification it is not necessary to overdose but to near utilizations. Each week for example.

 

[zanclus]

I have been dosing Prodibio products for 6 weeks now. I will be dosing my 4th set next week. As far as I can tell my water clarity is much clearer, My Sps as well as my other corals are much more vibrant. Colors have deepened. PE is excellent. I dose according to the instructions. I have 220g. with a total volume of 300 gallons, I run carbon 24/7, Phosphate remover,No ozone.
salinity 35 PPT
calcium is 430
dKH is 9.6
PH 8.3
Phosphates undetectable
Nitrates are 2.5 ppm
I dose the following:
Bioptim- 6 every 14 days
Biodigest-2 every 14 days
Reefboost-3 every 7 days
Stronti+-1 every 14 days
Iodi+-1 every 14 days.
I have seen My hair algae slowly disappear and at the rate it is going I expect to be free of it totally in a couple of weeks. I have no macro algae in my refuge just live rock and about 10 lbs live sand.

 

[olin]

Hi Eric&flint- got the PM. I'm on my way out on anaother trip, but I'll mull it over and post when I get back. Cool thread all!