Project 150!!

Thanks Jonathan.
I've always loved the CBB's, but its very hard to find a healthy one that is eating, and I'm a little leary of putting something into my tank that I'm hoping eats anemone's and doesnt touch my H.magnifica....

If the Berghia's dont work, then I will be moving the H.magnifica over to the 120, and going the Raccoon Butterfly route.

Nick
 
I believe that Berghia have a short lifespan, IIRC, and are expensive. When I looked at getting them for my tank, I was told I would need a lot of them, but that they could be bred in a separate tank.
 
Jonathan,
I dont know what the life expectancy of Berghia Nudi's actually is...but much like the AEFW's that we all hate, (and if you dont....you should), they will starve to death in 5-7 days w/o their food source, IE, aptasia.

I stopped salty Underground today, spoke W/ Lisa at length, admired her tank, and bought 4 Berghia's. Lisa was nice, very helpful, and knows her stuff. Her tank is pretty nice, and she has an interesting collection of fish. She's made me re-think my fish stocking list abit....but I'll get into that later.

The Berghia's were acclimated and placed in my tank before I went to work. They are pretty small, but I'm hoping they are very hungry...cause I'm not very fond of the aptasia.

nick
 
08-16-07

Been an interesting week at work....and with the tank.
Not really gonna get into work except to say that heat makes people do stupud things and alot of stupid things have been done in our town lately.

Regarding the tank...
I have some pictures this time to post so thats something at least...

Its been 4 days with the Berghia Nudi's in the tank and I havent seen a single aptasia disappear. According to Salty Underground's website, Berghia's will starve to death after 5-7 w/o feeding. So I'm really convinced that the Berghias were blown off the rockwork by the current in the tank and went into the overflows.....which sucks.

So....I did some reading up on various butterfly fish and looked hard at the Raccon Butterfly's like Lisa at Salty Underground suggested. According to Scott Michael's book "Angel Fish and Butterfly Fish" (Vol 3 of his Reef Fishes series of books), the Raccoon Butterfly fish Chaetodon lunula), has a pretty varied diet with the Hawaiian fish not known for going after hard coral polyps predominantly, but the African varients do go after hard coral polyps....so that ones out. Checked several other species of Butterfly's out, and saw a few that I thought were pretty, but were potential coral eaters....and were expensive. Then I saw this guy:

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Its a Caribbean Long Nose Butterfly Fish. Before anyone asks...I got him from Live Aquaria, and paid about 1/3 of the price listed the marine center's website. It arrives Saturday. Live Aquaria says he's eating aptasia, and according to Scott Michael's book this butterfly is hardy and common. He rates fish on a 1-5 scale for difficulty in keeping...1 being almost impossible, and 5 being tough to kill even with a stick...
For reference, he rates the standard Copperband Butterfly a 2 on his scale, and this fish a 4.

He lists its diet as polychaete worms, nemertean worms, crustaceans, the pedicellaria of urchins (tube feet), fish eggs and black coral polyps. He states this fish readily acclimates if provided a proper captive environment,and can be kept in a deep water reef aquarium, but there is a moderate risk it will begin picking at some large polyp hard corals, and gorgonians, and will also eat tube worms.
This particular fish is rather small at 2.5 inches in size, and reaching a max size of 3.9 inches. I'm hoping its small enough that it wont even consider going after my Ritteri...and if it does, the clowns can protect it well enough. If it does and they cant, the Ritteri Anemone will be moved to the 120 until the Butterfly fish has eaten all the aptasia. Then it goes to a LFS for credit.

I also ordered a pair of Togan Anthias, (Pseudanthias flavicauda), from www.phishybusiness.com.

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I have ordered from PB in the past, and had great results. I got my Red Sea Regal Angel from them, and my Ritteri Anemone form them as well. The Ritteri has been in my care since March 10th of 2006, and the Regal has been in my care since Sept 27th of 2006. Both are doing great. I dont know what Serdar, (the owner of PB) does, or how he does it, but he has some amazing fish that are eating incredibly well. I spoke with him over the phone about the Anthias, and asked what he was feeding them. he told me they were the most aggressive feeding anthias he had in the store. He told me they are taking flake food, mysis, brine shrimp, nori, and prime reef....he said they were in a tank with several larger angels and were feeding just fine with them in the tank. They also arrive on Saturday.

Finally,
Last Friday, 8-10-2007, I ordered a beautiful purple H.crispa anemone from Divers Den on Live Aquaria.

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I already have a small purple H.crispa in my 10 gallon tank with the Dwarf Moray, but liked the color of this one and felt they would do fine together.
(Look closely at the tentacles of this anemone.....)

Here is what arrived on Monday from Live Aquaria

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This is a M.doreensis anemone.....pretty, but not what I ordered. Ironically, its the same species of anemone I just gave away because it was wandering around the tank and parked itself almost on top of my H.crispa. SO contacted Live Aquaria and spoke with the Customer Service Manager. They looked at the pics I just posted, realized the anemone was in fact the one in the picture they posted on the website, but it had been mislabeled, and they offered me a credit for the anemone. Which I accepted...

So thats been my week with the tank.

Nick
 
Just a heads up Nick. As we talked about, the berghia are not fast eaters of aiptasia. You really have not had your berghia long enough to be able to see much of a difference yet. They usually eat smaller aiptasia first too. We believe the life expectancy of berghia to be about 10-12 months.

The butterflyfish you bought will probably eat the berghia if it finds them. So hopfully it eats aiptasia too.

Cool anthias. Try to feed as close as possible to their natural diet to keep their color.
 
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10567153#post10567153 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by saltyunderground
Just a heads up Nick. As we talked about, the berghia are not fast eaters of aiptasia. You really have not had your berghia long enough to be able to see much of a difference yet. They usually eat smaller aiptasia first too. We believe the life expectancy of berghia to be about 10-12 months.

The butterflyfish you bought will probably eat the berghia if it finds them. So hopfully it eats aiptasia too.

Cool anthias. Try to feed as close as possible to their natural diet to keep their color.

Lisa,
Thanks for the heads up....I thought if nothing had happened by now, they were gone. I have a high flow tank due to the anemone and SPS, so its not exactly a good environment for them. The butterfly fish is a daytime predator, so it may not even find the Berghia since they hide during the day. I'm on afternoon shift so when I get home the tank lights are off, and lately, I've been getting home later than normal. I've used flashlight to go looking for the Berghia's and havent seen them since I put them in the tank.

I hope their still running around and eating aptasia...between them and the butterfly, the aptasia should be gone sooner or later.

Nick
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10568509#post10568509 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Nanook
Cool little Angelfish! Looking forward to what you think of him.

You mean the Butterfly fish? The only angel I have is the Regal, and I definately like having her. Zero issues w/ nibbling on Acro's, clams, anemone, or zoanthids...be nice if she ate aptasia though..

08-18-2007

Got the fish today. The female Anthias was DOA. The male looked fine. The butterfly was doing what butterfly's do...which is that weird wary but not scared of you thing where they raise up their fins defensively, and back into a corner and dare you to come after them...

Drip acclimated everyone in buckets for an hour before putting them in the tank. The Anthias went into the 120. Lights will remain off for the day on the 120. In the 58 the Butterfly wasnt in for more than 5 minutes before he started picking at the rockwork, so I turned the lights on in the tank.
There have been a few territorial squabbles between the Butterfly and the Royal Gramma, but the Butterfly did the whole "Aint Skeered" routine with the gramma, and no fights.

The Butterfly REALLY likes the small feather dusters. He's going after them with a vengance. Doesnt seem remotely interested in aptasia, the Ritteri anemone, or any of the acro's...
I'm hoping the aptasia just arent as tasty as the mini feather dusters, but will get eaten eventually.

Called PB about the DOA female Anthias. They immediately said theyd send out a replacement when I was ready. Its going to have to be Monday for Tuesday pickup.

Pics will follow later.

Nick
 
My CBB went after the feathers first but is now taking care of the aiptasia. I hope your butterfly will do the same.
 
Yeah,
I figure when the "tasty" stuff gets all eaten up, then he'll go after the other things in the tank. I was really hopng for an immediate brutal assault against the aptasia though...

The male anthias has eaten, and seems to like chasing things out of the water column. Doesnt seem interested in flake food, not wildly fond of brine shrimp, happily eats mysis and will go after Arctipods...wish there was a bigger version of Arctipods...

Nick
 
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Havent been able to take pics yet....sorry about that. I'm now on nightshift and my schedule is goofed up at the moment.
I will try and get some shortly.

The Butterfly is still hunting for mini dusters, and worms, and has thus far left the aptasia completely alone. However, I've noticed that several of my aptasia are missing. So the Berghia's are doing there job. It would be really nice if the Butterfly decided to go on an aptasia rampage...

I had to order a new regulator, needlevalve, and solenoid for my calcium reactor today. The previous one was pretty beat up when I got it (purchased used). My Co2 tank was used up and I got it filled up yesterday....have not been able to get it dialed in correctly since....the bubble count is not stable and keeps increasing well over what I want it to be.

I ordered the new regulator and 2 containers of Gen-X reactor media as well....the old stuff isnt completely gone, but I will most likely just pitch it anyway to prevent clogging. Decided to buy these from www.thereefstop.com.

Hope it doesnt take too long to get here. Not happy w/ my calcium reactor not running.

Nick
 
I have always had issues with my German made supposedly top-line regulator slowly increasing flow too. In fact I am constantly having to adjust my CO2. I wonder if it isn't a faulty valve. I had assumed that it was happening due to temp. changes in the valve body.
 
Yeah, I don't know why I thought it was an Angelfish:D Must be old age creeping up on me. Most Butterflyfish LOVE the feather dusters. I hope he will start hunting aiptasia for you soon.

CO2 regulators are very finicky. I am not so sure price has much to do with it because I have had expensive ones not perform correctly and cheap one that worked without a flaw for two years.
 
08-22-2007
The male Anthias jumped out of the tank yesterday. I didnt find it until it was too late. Lisa from Salty Underground had warned me about keeping a lid on the tank with the Anthias, but I didnt get around to it fast enough....
Not happy with that chain of events.

Something is definately eating some of the aptasia on the rock work, but its not the butterfly fish. So far all its done is wipe out mini feather dusters and squabble with my Royal Gramma. Its a neat fish, very curious and constantly moving around hunting and searching for things. It has not expressed any interest in either my Ritteri anemone or aptasia.

Hopefully I'll get my new CO2 regulator in soon...

Nick
 
Well, I am wondering how you have determined that the butterfly is not eating them. I know I had a major problem in my tank and since I have put in the CBB, my aiptasia population is diminishing dramatically, yet I have never "seen" it eating one.
 
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