Proof that CV and HCAA work for sps(take 2)

Photoshop is made by adobe. I have every release since 4.0 and its for non mac computers.

Just thought id point that out.



Great pictures, they look authentic to me. Looks like hes using a good cam and the acrylic box for intank shots helps.
 
Greg,

Maybe not.... but remember this putting the color hue's aside look at the pictures, and the algae that is obviously all over his display. This alone can lead to many more issues beside his coloration problems. Which he did mention in another post that he had "issues" with his tank.

I certainly won't use the data / evidence that he provides as a viable solution to lack of coloration in corals. Personally I don't have any issues with coloration, and I don't add any supplements to my system.

Maybe someone that has a super low nutrient tank can try this test also. We need this control test to ensure all the results are infact that "results" rather than coincidence. Thatââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢s all I am trying to say here. That would be a more usable study simply because most SPS keepers usually have a super low nutrient tank.

But I do have to say that bulbs will NEVER make a tan looking creature (stars) look like a smurf. Also, by the looks of the pictures that are posted here in this thread are not even within the same solar system when comparing to the pictures in the TOTM thread. If you didn't say he took the pictures I wouldn't have ever been able to tell that he took the pictures.

Mario,

What was the reason you decided to do this test, and why were your corals not coloring up prior to the testing taking place? Were you having issues with your system? what were the

What is your dosing regimen? Amounts, products, etc.

Can you show some pictures of other corals besides the ones that have hues of blue?

Mario I am not accusing you, I am simply playing devils advocate with this issue. I myself as Greg said ââ"šÂ¬Ã…"œWho is really EVER happy when keeping SPSââ"šÂ¬Ã‚ we always seek deeper colors with corals...and always changing things in search of the "better" system. What is the better system? That is 100% dependant on the opinion of the tanks owner. Hopefully no hard feelings. If you are upset I apologize!!
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6926704#post6926704 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by SirLight1337
Photoshop is made by adobe. I have every release since 4.0 and its for non mac computers.

Just thought id point that out.



Great pictures, they look authentic to me. Looks like hes using a good cam and the acrylic box for intank shots helps.
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BTW Photoshop is native on a Macintosh
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6926704#post6926704 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by SirLight1337
Photoshop is made by adobe. I have every release since 4.0 and its for non mac computers.

Just thought id point that out.



Great pictures, they look authentic to me. Looks like hes using a good cam and the acrylic box for intank shots helps.
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Excuse me for jumping on here, but Photoshop is not just for PC. Maybe you have 4.0 til now on PC but it doesn't mean that they don't have it for MAC. Please look at the link below.

http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshop/systemreqs.html
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6927161#post6927161 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by vpham24
That would be illegal. :D
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No an illegal is a sick bird!

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6927222#post6927222 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Reefrookie2006
Copy right protection!
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What does that mean? Yes I do want a copy! It's no different than the dvd's that you have:D
Anyways sorry to sidetrack this discussion.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6926704#post6926704 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by SirLight1337
Photoshop is made by adobe. I have every release since 4.0 and its for non mac computers.

Just thought id point that out.
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um, perhaps you forgot the history of Adobe and its association with Apple Computer Inc. :D

Originally made for the mac.

and they do that annoying little online registration when you install it, so gl with the borrowed CD's... :)
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6926838#post6926838 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by dymaxiun
Greg,

Mario,

What was the reason you decided to do this test, and why were your corals not coloring up prior to the testing taking place? Were you having issues with your system? what were the

What is your dosing regimen? Amounts, products, etc.

Can you show some pictures of other corals besides the ones that have hues of blue?

Mario I am not accusing you, I am simply playing devils advocate with this issue. I myself as Greg said ââ"šÂ¬Ã…"œWho is really EVER happy when keeping SPSââ"šÂ¬Ã‚ we always seek deeper colors with corals...and always changing things in search of the "better" system. What is the better system? That is 100% dependant on the opinion of the tanks owner. Hopefully no hard feelings. If you are upset I apologize!!
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No hard feeling but just to prove my self again here is what happend. My tank is a brand new system set up from the LR to the LS. This was all set up on 1/1/06. The lice rock was only semi cured so I went through a mini cycle at which time my RO/DI need to bereplace and I was adding bad water from day one. This is why I have the algae out brake, the algae is starting to go away. Durring that time I was also battling the AEF which killed alot of my nice sps, I have never had an issue with coloration. The reason for the test, I was looking for something to help me get better colors from my sps. As far as dosing goes its 4drops of AAHC and 4 of CV. Here is some other sps from my tank. This pics are taken with my brothers camera. Its a Kodak V550. Other then macro, everything else is on auto.

Here is a picture of an asterina star
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here is the whole shot
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here is the same blue stag
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here is my pm and in the back ground a green slimmer
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deepblue tenuis and yellow milli in the back.
deepbluetenuis.jpg


Tort
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This is all ive got since most of my sps are blue or purple. Some will say my pictures are photoshoped :rolleyes: but I know that they are not and I have nothing to gain from this but my own satifaction that something is working here. Take it for what you want but I know what is the truth and people who have been to my house know what the truth is. I have opened my door to any one who want to stop by and see for them selfs.
 
I can assure you that this stuff is not "snake oil". I have a buddy here in in town who has some of the best colors and best tanks in the US. He uses darn near all the Zeo products. So perhaps its not just the CV or the AAHC, but he claims that once he started adding these two specifically he had to adjust his Ca reactor up twice in a very short period of time just to keep up with calcification. You be the judge. At the very least, its not hurting anything :P

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Horace,

Amazing coloration!!!! His corals are exteremly colored even down to the base of some. Simply amazing.

You said he uses "Damn near all Zeo products", how long has he been running them?

What are the specs of his system? High in / High export system. Could you get some specifics?
 
His tank is only about 15 months old. Most of those corals (probably 75%) were frags at the begining. He has run Zeo since day one. He said he had SPS in the tank within 2 weeks of starting the tank. He does nothing special other than just follow the standard Zeo techniques. Tank is 240g (8'x2'x2') He uses a big skimmer, carbon, and the Zeolith reactor. He says his phosphates are always less than 0.03. His lighting is 4x400w XM 20k, 2x110w VHO SA, 2x54w T5 Blue+. So yes he runs alot of actinic, but his growth is amazing as well. Once again showing that super powerful lights dont necessarly make the difference. If you have low nutrients, and feed your corals well, it will look like the above :P. Supposedly thats what zeo is supposed to do for you. I was skeptical at first too. But after seeing his tank in person on multiple occasions, I am now a believer. I just wish I had the cash to run the system. I may convert eventually, but right now my nutirents are already low so I am going to just try the CV and AAHC and see what happens. He said he is 100% positive I will see results. I dont think he has any reason to lie, he certainly isnt making any money off of Zeo.
 
I've held my tongue for all these discussions but here is my opinion and take it with a grain of salt or a penny or whatever....

Just for the record If your doing weekly water changes ,with a quality salt mix and clean ro/di water, run a tuned CA reactor , have decent lighting and flow....
I don't see the need to add anything


John
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6949542#post6949542 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Badmort
I've held my tongue for all these discussions but here is my opinion and take it with a grain of salt or a penny or whatever....

Just for the record If your doing weekly water changes ,with a quality salt mix and clean ro/di water, run a tuned CA reactor , have decent lighting and flow....
I don't see the need to add anything


John
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Weekly water changes, RO/DI water, CA reactor, lighting, and flow will keep nutrients low. However, super low nutrients + lighting + flow = faded looking corals. When you have super low nutrients, you need to add something in there, be it alot of feeding or something or corals start to look like crap regardless. CV/AAHC are that "something" that will "feed" your corals and not raise your nutirents through the roof. So I am told anyway :P
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6949542#post6949542 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Badmort
I've held my tongue for all these discussions but here is my opinion and take it with a grain of salt or a penny or whatever....

Just for the record If your doing weekly water changes ,with a quality salt mix and clean ro/di water, run a tuned CA reactor , have decent lighting and flow....
I don't see the need to add anything


John
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I agreed with you.
 
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