Proof that Oceanic Salt is BAD!!!!

scuba oz

scuba oz

hey there your name implies that you dive
its the best thing that i got into other than reefing.

i understand that you guys didnt have a problem with oceanic but many people did (including me) this is to much of a coincidence to blame it on other things (in most cases) this company is still new and with all new products things go wrong.

i think that everyone here is getting worked up about nothing. and oceanic should do there own tests to the product this hobby is to expensive and time consuming for a new company to play with our tanks.

not every batch is bad i had a very good batch but my second bucket is terrible
calcium was over 600 in the tank without adding calcium at all
alk went down to under 5 dkh
and i did get slime alge and hair alge

i havent had any alge in my tank unitil i got my second bucket of oceanic so the first one was great but in this hobby we need consistency in every product that we buy and that is the companys job to do.

ok so even if the slime alge was my fault (yes i use ro/di) then how do you explain the calcium being throug the roof and alk barley registering i tested the saltwater mix and got a cal reading over 650 and the alk 4 dkh.

if anybody wants me to send them a sample of this salt i still have some and i will ship it for free so you guys can do your own tests just to stop the fighting.

maybe there was one baaaad batch that came out and some of us got it but just like car companys oceanic should have called a recall i will not buy this salt again for a long time not to say that maybe in the future i wont give them a chance again just not in the neer future.

and my last point is to you scuba oz if you dont use oceanic why dont you switch to it:confused: :D you say you had no problems with it ,it is the cheepest salt out there (i wounder why) a 200 gal bucket is only about $50 so why not swich??? as for me i will pay a little more to get somthing proven (over time) to be good.

sorry for writing such a long post but it was nessasary now everyone go to another post and unsubscribe to this one it is toooo negative to a possitive hobby
GOOD LUCK with your reefs everyone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
For anyone how thinks Oceanic is bad see this memberââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢s web site, he will only use Oceanic salt, if it was bad he would have noticed by now. http://www.cnidarianreef.com/
Most of us would wish to have a tank that looked half as good as his does,
so after seeing his tank and knowing that he uses only Oceanic salt and as you can see from his website that he keeps a log on everything, I have to say that this salt isnââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢t a problem like most say.
 
Can I throw my penney in?
I have been using NSW exclusivly for a year now. I had a major fish die off in my tank and my skimmer went crazy. We beleive it was from a coral spawning. Because of this incident, I had to do some major water changes. I didn't have any NSW at hand and it had been raining like crazy here so I didn't want to collect any.
I went to my LFS and wound up buying some Oceanic to do my water changes. After doing the water changes, I had a massive hair alge and red bubble alage outbreak. There were at least 3 diferent types of hair alage growing in the tank. Some of the hair alge I have never seen in my tank before. Since I had not added anything to the tank, I don't know where it came from. Maybe the water.
I have since started using IO since we are still having some rain and so I don't want to go collect any NSW at this time. Since I switched to teh IO, I pulled as much of the hair alge out of the tank as I could. As for the rest, it is slowley dying off. I think it may have something to do with the Oceanic salt as I have not changed anything in the tank or any of my husbindry practices.
 
Ok, just to clarify one thing. Maybe the Oceanic salt caused problems and maybe it didn't. But to say that because they had one bad batch of salt then all salt by them is bad is as asinine as suggesting that just because one person has had positve experiences then another couldnt have gotten a bad batch! you guys are talking in circles! Although I do appreciate the link that olemos provided!
 
I am new and have had my 75 up for 2 months. I have a 32 gal "BRUTE" for mixing salt and have also noticed a brown slime on sides at times before I started using a ph for mixing. I use Red Sea salt.
 
ebacon said:
wouldnt there bea concern with bacteria and varrious other undesirables in NSW?
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NOPE. I get it from a university who filters it and uses it in their marine research lab. AND its FREE.:D Lot's of people have been using this water in their tanks for years.

There's also a few members on here who actually collect their own NSW straight from the ocean with no ill effects.
 
Don't take that as him saying you can go out and collect it yourself though. It takes some planning and certain techniques to do it yourself.
 
:lmao:

Haha maybe if you deeg dip enough...:)

Im always curious if the MBA would let me buy water from them. Ive seen their sand bed filters....they should be called sand silos. And their UV sterilizer. And the ozone machine! AH that thing was the size of a Mini Cooper. You couldnt stay in the room long cuz youd get ozone poisoning lol.
 
Boy, I really don't want to jinx myself, but we've been using oceanic since we set up our reeftanks (almost a year ago) and other than a low alk reading, which we supplement with kalk, we've had no problem with the oceanic. I actually think it's helping hubby's SPS tank due to the high calcium.

I probably just jinxed myself, huh?
 
I'm really wondering if it is due to changing to Oceanic. Maybe there is something else in it that is causing such a reaction. Everyone I know who only started with Oceanic has no problems. People who switch from another salt notice it more. I wonder if it maybe contains another nutrient that we don't test for that causes this reaction.
 
I guess like everyone else they will blame it on poor husbandry.

It's pretty sad considering the top reef keepers feel the same way about Oceanic. It's Junk plain and simple!!

To say the algae problem it due to the poor husbandry is a very bad excuse. Were not talking about newbs here were talking about Totm people. 10 year plus people. At this point I don't care what experiments take place its Junk.
 
Arconom,
You're getting very repetitive. Let's try and avoid the simple statements like "its Junk" and aim for something more constructive because its the simple statements that fuel the posts that you dislike.

As for the theory that it may be something we don't test for:
We know pretty securely what the nutrients used in microalgaes are. They are sources of PO43- and nitrogenous compounds. Silicates aid the growth of diatomaceous algaes but they still need other nutrients. Fact is all life depends heavily on PO43- so we just limit that to levels below we can detect. If there are newly mixed batches with detectable levels that is no good but i haven't seen that yet. Nor have i seen nitrate readings. I didn't miss any did I?

And as for the theory that there is algae IN the mix thus causing the blooms in buckets:
I cant imagine a microalgae that could survive in a completely dry salt crystal. I don't believe microalgae can sporulate. Cyanobacteria might be able to but that is not what is showing up. It could be a bacterial bloom i guess...Has anyone thought of that yet? I dont know much about marine bacteria. Any knowledgable people who could lend some light to that idea?

If all of this is impossible then the only possible explanation is that there is nutrients in a percentage of the batches (still not close to all, although possibly a cause for concern for buyers) which are creating a pristine environment for airborne and tankborne algaes. And its hard to prove your RODI isnt causing this problem with how little actual testing there is being done for how many people are speaking out.

We're all just going to have to relax until the people working on this thing figure it out.
 
It's pretty sad considering the top reef keepers feel the same way about Oceanic. It's Junk plain and simple!!

To say the algae problem it due to the poor husbandry is a very bad excuse. Were not talking about newbs here were talking about Totm people. 10 year plus people. At this point I don't care what experiments take place its Junk.
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Many of the top reefers USE Oceanic and have great looking tanks with it. It's not as "plain and simple" as you claim. Blaming poor husbandry isn't a good explination but blaming it on the salt is an equally if not worse excuse. None of you really know it's the salt, nor can you since you haven't done any controlled tests to isolate the salt as the cause, and until this happens all of the complaints are pure speculation.

I would estimate that the vast majority of these problems caused by Oceanic are actually totally unrelated to the salt and are either caused by unknown factors or situations not tested for. With such complex systems and so little understanding of them it would not suprise me at all if many of the complaints were actually about pre-existing problems that, by coincidence, just happened to appear when the user switched salt, even if the salt is totally unrelated. For all we know, and the problem here is that we don't know, all these algae blooms would have happened even if you never switched salts.

However, it is also possible that the salt really is the cause and for some reason only certain people are getting bad batches or are having problems. We simply don't know either way, and that's why we really need a proper independant controlled test to find out. Without one this is all speculation and quite useless to everybody.

I also want to point out that I'm still setting up my first system and have never bought or used any salt before, so I'm pretty unbiased about this situation.
 
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