Proof that Oceanic Salt is BAD!!!!

umm i have a tub(not bathtup, rubbermaid tub) of about 75 gallons of oceanic in my bathroom with a powerhead and venturi attatchment. it gets sunlight from the window in my bathroom, it has been brewing for about a week... it is perfectly clear... this is how i always make my water... i have never had anything brown happen. i get 200 gal buckets, i have used maybe 20-30 of them
 
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I have used Reef Crystals for about 10 or so years now and have never had a problum. I never had algea blooms that can be attributed to the salt as far as I know and the salt seems to be consistant from batch to batch. It is a little more expensive then IO but I figure what is $2-$3 dollars for a little more trace elements and Ca.Good luck with what you choose.
 
I get the same brown colored algae when I do a water change with oceanic, needless to say I have stopped using oceanic I wish I could get a refund.
 
GSerg2 said:
Kent is made by the same company too isn't it?

Greg
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As far as I understand the three salts, IO, Reef Crystals and Kent are manufactured in the same plant under different formulations but Kent has reserved their own quality control on raw materials and finished product
IO and Reef Crystal brands are owned and marketed by Aquarium Systems while Kent is by Kent Marine. Now I also understand that both companies although totally independent organizations are owned by the same corporate group.
 
I too have had the same simular proplems as Mojodeli . I too have used tons of this salt since it first hit our LFS in all my tanks and it was not until my last bucket of salt which I bought at the same location as he did ,which was not the regular place I bought it from in the past . Out of all of my tanks only 2 did not show any brown or darkgreen film . Those tanks hadn't had any waterchanges out of that bucket.

Since there has been others local and so many complaints here on RC I too have decided not to use oceanic in my 120 . Luckily I have 18 bags of my old salt still on hand and they will get good use now.

As for the rest of you who can't read the entire thread before attacking .Get a life and read you may learn something! Also just because Mojo has had some tank crashes (because of equipment and not his husbandry) that doesn't discredit him at all.

I also agree that the test should have been done side by side but after the first batch of bad oceanic , I wouldn't be willing to waste another 50 gallons to do it again .Would you ?

JMO
 
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saltz,

that is too F R E A K I N G F U N N Y ! ! !
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
Good thread with alot of info. Ive been using Oceanic with no problems and probably will till all my buckets have been used up or I start to have problems.

BUT........

Just out of curiosity, out of 8 pages in this thread how come nobody has said what the batch numbers were for their particular bad batches. Id be interested to know if Im sitting on some that might be in question.
 
One of our LFS contacted Oceanic and they told him also that they hadn't had a report about problems. He called today . Which leaves me curious because another reefer posted in this thread that he contacted them also and they to said to him they had no reports ? Sounds fishy to me anyways I was told that all oceanic comes from the same place and is tested by scientists 6 times before release . Don't know if its true but it was what I was told. By the way our LFS owner is a good guy and was tring to help some of us locals determine a few things.
 
tecoral said:
Just out of curiosity, out of 8 pages in this thread how come nobody has said what the batch numbers were for their particular bad batches. Id be interested to know if Im sitting on some that might be in question.
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What batch numbers? There aren't any batch numbers on the product. Why? Because it would mean they would need to be accountable for batches, and even worse, if they weren't, we would, leaving literally, tons of stock on shelf unable to be sold.

The lack of batch numbers isn't because a company doesn't have the ability to catalog and print them, it's because they don't want to have to be accountable.

jb
 
jdieck - thanks for adding that data into the discussion.
We can rip apart someone's experiment into shreds, but it's hard to argue with test kits ;)

jdieck said:
IO and Reef Crystal brands are owned and marketed by Aquarium Systems while Kent is by Kent Marine. Now I also understand that both companies although totally independent organizations are owned by the same corporate group.
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Yes, and I believe they were just bought by Rayovac, who are local here. Evidently they're having [just had?] a couple tanks put into the corporate offices - some sudden interest in the hobby :rolleyes:
 
I looked at my Oceanic bucket last night and nowhere on the bucket did I see "No Phosphates or Nitrates" like I have seen advertised by other salt supliers. Tropic Marine uses pharmaceutical grade stuff in their salt, and gaurentee's no nitrates/phosphates. Maybe I will try that, or Reef Crystals for my next bucket. I have no issues with O at this time, but an once of prevention is worth a pound of cure, they say.:rolleyes:
 
I contacted Oceanic a few days ago by email. No response.

Here's my little theory about the possible problem with Oceanic.
It's different from other salts (except maybe RedSea) in that it's not synthetic. It's made from "natural" ingredients. Does that mean it's obtained from a seawater source? (hopefully not Texas) If so, then depending on processing and filtration it may contain some organic compounds, let's say proteins (maybe spores too).
A freshly mixed batch that tests 0 nitrate and 0 phosphate can still contain NO3 and PO4 if they are locked up in complex proteins. Only after the proteins break down will they then be released and can be detected by test kits. Any thoughts?

Also, there is a possibility it may be just a silica problem which most of us don't test for.
 
gato hoser: i have never used anything but tropic marin since 1976...so i wouldnt know what a bad salt is...salt creep : thanks for that very entertaining post above...!!!l
 
wow, just finished a lot of reading. i currently use Oceanic and do have a bit of a brown algae problem, but i never blamed it on the salt. this thread has led me to think twice. as soon as i finish my current storage (unless i can sell it) i would try out another salt. I've used tropic marin in the past, but have had problems with testing it for phosphates (hard to tell how much exactly with salifert, but there was deffinitely a blue tint) so i decided to switch to another brand. Oceanic seemed to be the newest and the best at the time so i tried it. i prefer a more "advanced" formula than IO that is more targeted to reef tanks. Kent may seem like a good choice. Seachem also seems to be a reliable manufacturer in this hobby, yet i dont see many people using their salt (or seeing the salt even sold at many of the retailers). Anyone know why this would be so? I would be interested in comparing their salt as well as we did with the Kent.
 
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