Purple And Yellow Tang compatibility

[Daniel Reef]

Let me see if I understand correctly. There seems to be consensus that stunted growth is not ideal (at the very least); while others believe that stunted growth is a sign of poor health. I am planning on rebuilding my 90g tank. If I were to put in tangs in my 90g tank that were recommended should be put in 180g tanks or 250g tanks, then I should expect that my tang will have stunted growth, which is not ideal. Shouldn't I be concerned that I may not be providing the ideal environment for my tang if I do that? Or is the solution that I have excellent husbandry to overcome the tank size differential when I put the tang in a tank smaller than recommended? If true, what should I be doing differently to ensure that my tank (as oppose to someone else's tank) has excellent conditions so that the tang can still be healthy although it will have stunted growth? I would imagine that there are quantifiable things that I can do to succeed where others presumably fail because they aren't maintaining the fish's overall health. Am I mistaken?

 

[Putty]

I have no issues. I was told the 1 tang or 3 or more for several years. I started with the purple and went and bought two yellows. Heck...the two yellows fought all day long and left the purple alone. I removed one yellow and now the purple and yellow hang with no issues ever..

 

[Daniel Reef]

I have no issues. I was told the 1 tang or 3 or more for several years. I started with the purple and went and bought two yellows. Heck...the two yellows fought all day long and left the purple alone. I removed one yellow and now the purple and yellow hang with no issues ever..

That looks like a Purple and a Naso Tang in the tank. What size tank do you have?

 

[nsmith_mma]

You're contradicting yourself in just this one post... Stunted growth = could still be healthy overall. How can a fish with stunted growth be healthy overall... the keyword overall. Is the fish alive, sure it is. Is the fish thriving, no. Otherwise it wouldn't have sever stunted growth.

It's not a contradiction at all. For example, if I were to say:

"I think any person who engages in a debate should be familiar with logic."

But then by the results of said debate, one person is shown to have logic and another is shown to not have logic, the logical conclusion to reach would be:

"It is true that any person engaging in a debate should be familiar with logic, but it is not necessarily true that everyone engaging in debate actually is familiar with logic."

I think you can see where I'm going with this. Or maybe not...

 

[spoofer]

I have a tech footprint 120 and I have 1 purple tang which I added one med yellow tang 4 years later and then two weeks later I added another baby yellow. I'm sure many would have disagreed with this, but I've done it before and it was ok.

Now with that said the first week was kind of crazy but I removed the purple and let the yellows in the yank then floated purple for awhile and the introduced everyone.

This was 5 months ago and everyone is great now.

Hope this helps

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[Putty]

That looks like a Purple and a Naso Tang in the tank. What size tank do you have?

The yellow is in the lower left corner of the pic. That tank is a 72.

 

[Toddrtrex]

The yellow is in the lower left corner of the pic. That tank is a 72.

What are your plans for the N. lituratus? To say that they get huge would be an understatement.

 

[jason2459]

It's not a contradiction at all. For example, if I were to say:

"I think any person who engages in a debate should be familiar with logic."

But then by the results of said debate, one person is shown to have logic and another is shown to not have logic, the logical conclusion to reach would be:

"It is true that any person engaging in a debate should be familiar with logic, but it is not necessarily true that everyone engaging in debate actually is familiar with logic."

I think you can see where I'm going with this. Or maybe not...

Growth is part of overall health. A fish can not be overall healthy if it's growth is stunted.

 

[nsmith_mma]

Growth is part of overall health. A fish can not be overall healthy if it's growth is stunted.

No, that would be entirely healthy. "Overall healthy" refers to something being healthy in all areas save for maybe one or two, with those areas not really affecting the overall health too much. It's like when you break an arm, your arm is in an unhealthy condition but you as a whole are still a healthy, functional person.

 

[jason2459]

No, that would be entirely healthy. "Overall healthy" refers to something being healthy in all areas save for maybe one or two, with those areas not really affecting the overall health too much. It's like when you break an arm, your arm is in an unhealthy condition but you as a whole are still a healthy, functional person.

Sorry, but if I have a broken arm I would not consider myself overall healthy and would be miserable as I couldn't do things I like to do until I get the cast off and even then still wouldn't be overall healthy until I regained my strength back. Just my interpretation then of what overall means.

 

[nsmith_mma]

Sorry, but if I have a broken arm I would not consider myself overall healthy and would be miserable as I couldn't do things I like to do until I get the cast off and even then still wouldn't be overall healthy until I regained my strength back. Just my interpretation then of what overall means.

I hate that I keep having to explain my analogies lol. I mean medically healthy. Not how healthy you consider yourself. If you went to a doctor and you were healthy aside from the broken arm, he or she would say "Well, aside from the arm, you are in overall very good health." So I think herein lies the problem. You base health on subjectivity and I base health on an empirical level.

 

[jason2459]

I hate that I keep having to explain my analogies lol. I mean medically healthy. Not how healthy you consider yourself. If you went to a doctor and you were healthy aside from the broken arm, he or she would say "Well, aside from the arm, you are in overall very good health." So I think herein lies the problem. You base health on subjectivity and I base health on an empirical level.

If I went to my orthopedic doctor he would say I was 80% healthy.

 

[nsmith_mma]

Let me see if I understand correctly. There seems to be consensus that stunted growth is not ideal (at the very least); while others believe that stunted growth is a sign of poor health. I am planning on rebuilding my 90g tank. If I were to put in tangs in my 90g tank that were recommended should be put in 180g tanks or 250g tanks, then I should expect that my tang will have stunted growth, which is not ideal. Shouldn't I be concerned that I may not be providing the ideal environment for my tang if I do that? Or is the solution that I have excellent husbandry to overcome the tank size differential when I put the tang in a tank smaller than recommended? If true, what should I be doing differently to ensure that my tank (as oppose to someone else's tank) has excellent conditions so that the tang can still be healthy although it will have stunted growth? I would imagine that there are quantifiable things that I can do to succeed where others presumably fail because they aren't maintaining the fish's overall health. Am I mistaken?

I really admire your analytical approach to this topic. Well done.

And yes, I would say that stunted growth is not ideal, but is not by itself necessarily a sign of poor health. Now obviously, there is a certain amount of discretion that should go into selecting tank inhabitants. I wouldn't reccomend putting a unicorn tang into a 90 gallon tank. But a powder blue? A purple? A yellow? I would say all of these could be kept in a 90 pretty easily. I have even seen sailfins in 90 gallon tanks. Obviously, as I mentioned earler, there may come a point in the tang's life where you have to make a discretionary decision as to whether or not you can continue to keep it in your tank or if you will have to find a larger home for it, but I'm not against this practice. I don't know why anyone would be. When you buy a tang, it has already been through at least two tanks and two plastic bags anyway unless you buy from a wholesaler.

 

[nsmith_mma]

If I went to my orthopedic doctor he would say I was 80% healthy.

You must live in a reason-proof bubble. Or you have realized that my argument is solid, and you don't want to give me credit for it because you disagree on principle, regardless of my numerous clarifications that I have gladly obliged you on.

 

[Toddrtrex]

What makes you think that stunted growth isn't unhealthy? Just because you state that you don't think that it makes a fish unhealthy doesn't make your argument solid. You are stating your opinion as fact, and trying to make that basis of your argument being solid.

In my opinion (( and several others )), stunted growth is a sign of an unhealthy fish, so the fish you keep referring to are (( in our eyes )) unhealthy in such a small tank.

 

[jason2459]

You must live in a reason-proof bubble. Or you have realized that my argument is solid, and you don't want to give me credit for it because you disagree on principle, regardless of my numerous clarifications that I have gladly obliged you on.

I'm just stating the obvious. Do what you will with your tank but that doesn't change my opinion or suggestions on not putting a fish of any kind into a tank that is not right for it. Like putting a leopard wrasse in a bare bottom tank. Putting a shark of any kind in a 180. Placing a 1+ foot angel in a 90g or a 10" tang in a 60g cube let alone multiple of them. People have done and do these things but I certainly wouldn't recommend it or do it myself.

 

[sandwi54]

Oh my god I woke up this morning and this has turned into a linguistic debate. may I suggest that we stop arguing? I think people who care enough about tangs would read the tang sticky and make a decision him/herself.

I agree with nsmith_mma on a few points, but disagree on others. I agree that having a powder blue tang in a very well-maintained 90g tank and feeding it good diet is better than having it in a 180g with dirty water, but I don't think either is "optimum," which is what I base my fishkeeping standards on. I think all these debates arise from people having different standards of keeping fish. Some try to provide the best environment possible, some provide what they think are "adequate," while others are happy enough if the fish are just swimming and not dead. At the end of the day, we all have different standards and moral values because we all grew up in different backgrounds (someone who grew up in wars would probably think surviving is good enough, while someone who grew up in a rich family would look for more in his life).

Let's cut the arguments shall we?

 

[nsmith_mma]

What makes you think that stunted growth isn't unhealthy? Just because you state that you don't think that it makes a fish unhealthy doesn't make your argument solid. You are stating your opinion as fact, and trying to make that basis of your argument being solid.

In my opinion (( and several others )), stunted growth is a sign of an unhealthy fish, so the fish you keep referring to are (( in our eyes )) unhealthy in such a small tank.

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Point out to me the exact point in the conversation where I said stunted growth was healthy or a sign of good health. I can't believe I have to keep clarifying this. Growth is a component of good health, not the determining factor. So fine, we'll go with the orthopedic doctor argument (which is logically fallacious, but people seem to understand it)...the tang with stunted growth is not 100% healthy, but a percentage that is close to 100% is fine. How many of us can say we are 100% healthy? Those who are closer to 0% are struggling to say the least, but those close to 100% are doing just fine. Overall, they are healthy. Geesh.

 

[jason2459]

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Point out to me the exact point in the conversation where I said stunted growth was healthy or a sign of good health. I can't believe I have to keep clarifying this. Growth is a component of good health, not the determining factor. So fine, we'll go with the orthopedic doctor argument (which is logically fallacious, but people seem to understand it)...the tang with stunted growth is not 100% healthy, but a percentage that is close to 100% is fine. How many of us can say we are 100% healthy? Those who are closer to 0% are struggling to say the least, but those close to 100% are doing just fine. Overall, they are healthy. Geesh.

Problem is that you believe your opinion is fact and some how scientific when it's just your beliefs and opinions on how you want to run your tank. You also seem to like to talk down to people. I've already stated that everything I've said and recommend is just my opinion. To each their own.

 

[Putty]

What are your plans for the N. lituratus? To say that they get huge would be an understatement.

I have a pretty good relationship with my LFS...I could trade for credit if something became a problem.