purple-up

jolson10450

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i was wondering about what everyone thinks about purple up.

does it work??? do i have to keep buying it once i use it or could i just use one bottle to get the algae growing good then quit using it??

thanks,

Justin
 
Purple Up doesn't contain coralline algae "seeds" or anything, if that's what you're thinking. I've never used it, but everything I've read on here indicates that maintaining proper calcium and alkalinity will yield great results with coralline growth and Purple Up is unnecessary. Using Kalkwasser in your top off water is much cheaper than using Purple Up.
 
Yup, I agree. Get into a habbit of testing calcium and alkalinity weekly untill you have a firm idea about how your tank behaves.
Use a two part additive to control the balance.

I like purple up, but what will be a greater success is to nail down alk/cal
 
its snake oil

keep alk ca and mag levels up and youll have more corralline then you want
 
It is absolutely not snake oil.
But neither is it a bottled miracle. It is simply calcium and iodine. It will likely promote coralline algae in a tank without any.
In a tank without coralline algae the reefer is likely to not have calcium/alkalinity within desired levels, so boosting calcium will fuel coralline algae.

But I still go with my first post, target calcium and alkalinity with a two part additive. The effect will be much better than what you will get with Purple Up.

From MarineDepot

CaribSea Purple Up Coralline Algae Accel

Pet Product News Editor's Choice Awards Winner as One of the Best New Products of 2005!

Has a unique dual method approach to coralline algae acceleration:

1. Ionic calciumâ€"Immediately raises dissolved calcium levels in your aquarium water.
2. Ten micron aragoniteâ€"targets the live rock surface, where it dissolves in situ (in place), delivering calcium, strontium, magnesium and carbonate right where it is needed.


Now we can discuss how unique their method really is. But boosting calcium and iodine as well as adding a debatable amount of trace elements does not exactly qualify as snake oil.

I use Purple Up as the only additive in my 10 gallon tank. I have softies and some LPS so my adding this is only to boost coraline algae. I do waterchanges as well ofcourse, but the brand I use of salt is low on calcium. Purple Up fits my tanks need great.
 
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Yeah I dont think its quite a snake oil, although tell you the truth thats what I was thinking before I did a little research on it. UrbanSage has pretty much summed it up. I think that carib seas whole line of alk/ca buffers is based on the "10 micron aragonite", it seems like this stuff is pretty much a ca reactor without the complicated disolving process.

But I would have to say that everyone else is right about coraline algae, basically ca/alk, and also you cant forget about magnesium, I believe it plays a big role in ca/alk buffering, and for good coraline algae growth. But also I would like to say that I think nitrates and phosphates, play almost an even bigger role in growing coraline. If you have perfect ca/alk levels but the least bit of phospates I think its going to pretty much inhibit the growth of the coraline.

Over the years I have used pretty much everything from calcium chloride(liquid calcium) to two part systems, to ca reactors, theres so many ways to do it, and I wouldent always say that one is better than the other, but all of them do have there pros and cons. Just research the diffrences and go with what works best for you and your tank.
 
it is snake oil and is better left alone.

when both of you have been around and read the many articles on it and the countless post over and over again by new people and vendors. [year in and year out] you will realize its just better left in the store where its sold. it does mess with your chemistry negatively throwing testing off.

its common knowledge thats its better left alone, that pretty much makes it snake oil. it has a catchy name and that it. there are better cheaper ways to add ca,alk and mag. what part of extorting money out of your wallet exuses it from being snake oil.

i guess what im trying to say is the more experienced reefers TOTM ect wont touch the stuff. and its always the new folks with little knowledge who back it.
 
Hmm... well what about this. Purple up is the only chemical I ever put in my reef tank. All my params are good so to me I feel like it is fantastic.

Ever try not adding it and see what happens?

FWIW, I do not think Purple Up is a useful additive. Not only does the CaCO3 not readily dissolve, but it misleads tests results. Fine aragonite powder in the water will show up as alkalinity despite not being bioavailable. IMO, the folks selling this product either do not understand that, or do not care because it sells well due to its nice marketing name.


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or is it possible it is interfering with test measuements?

There is no question that if the fine aragonite is still suspended in the aquarium water, it will give false high alkalinity, and possibly calcium, How high depends on how much is still there. There may, of course, be little or none still suspended.

now for some boomer replys

Well fine, that works for you but all tanks are not your tank I doubt it is other chemicals at all, it is a function of the tanks solution kinetics. Each tank is different. In the last two months there have been at least 6 complaints about Purple-UP, creating some serious problems. Most are going to be the pH getting a little to low. As has already been pointed out you do not need Purple-Up to be successful or to grow coralline.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8232986#post8232986 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by outy
it is snake oil and is better left alone.

when both of you have been around and read the many articles on it and the countless post over and over again by new people and vendors. [year in and year out] you will realize its just better left in the store where its sold. it does mess with your chemistry negatively throwing testing off.

its common knowledge thats its better left alone, that pretty much makes it snake oil. it has a catchy name and that it. there are better cheaper ways to add ca,alk and mag. what part of extorting money out of your wallet exuses it from being snake oil.

i guess what im trying to say is the more experienced reefers TOTM ect wont touch the stuff. and its always the new folks with little knowledge who back it.

Wow, so now we are inexperienced and ignorants. Maybe this kind of judgemental attitude is what makes you brand Purple Up as snake oil.

I have two tanks. one with sps and a nano with few of anything needing calcium. I would never use Purple Up in my sps tank. But it is great for my nano, I never test for calcium or anything. I just perform frequent water changes and add purple up. Works like a charm. Regardless of what the more experienced reefers say.
It is in my opinion a great product for exactly the kind of tank my nano is.

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8233203#post8233203 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by outy
Hmm... well what about this. Purple up is the only chemical I ever put in my reef tank. All my params are good so to me I feel like it is fantastic.

Ever try not adding it and see what happens?

What will happen that is different than stopping usage of another product?

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8233203#post8233203 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by outy
Randy Holmes-Farley
Want to talk chemistry? Try the Reef Chemistry Forum at Reef Central

or is it possible it is interfering with test measuements?

There is no question that if the fine aragonite is still suspended in the aquarium water, it will give false high alkalinity, and possibly calcium, How high depends on how much is still there. There may, of course, be little or none still suspended.

There may, of course, be little or none still suspended.

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8233203#post8233203 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by outy
now for some boomer replys

Well fine, that works for you but all tanks are not your tank I doubt it is other chemicals at all, it is a function of the tanks solution kinetics. Each tank is different. In the last two months there have been at least 6 complaints about Purple-UP, creating some serious problems. Most are going to be the pH getting a little to low. As has already been pointed out you do not need Purple-Up to be successful or to grow coralline.

If it works for me then it is not snake oil. Even if my tank is incredibly unique as you hint at. But an additive is not snake oil if it works.
Again, I will not be using it to balance my chemistry in my sps tank. But it is exactly what I need in a tank where the only reason to add calcium is for coralline growth.

Ofcourse there is little or no application for Purple Up in a "tank of the month" because it is simply not what this product is for.
Noone ever said you need Purple Up to have coralline. Everyone has said that the key is to focus on calcium, alkalinity and magnesium.
 
Hey SaveOurReefs I guess we don't qualify as people whom others assume read articles or can manage a reef tank..... Bummer, I really liked my reef.......
 
I clicked on the little house. Love your tank. I also use "purple up" but I'm too inexperienced to say whether I like it or not :-).
 
Hey guys lets keep this freindly, and peaceful, smile :-D Lets respect the thoughts and opinons of others, as I hope they do for me. I will revert back to the last paragraph I typed...

"and I wouldent always say that one is better than the other, but all of them do have there pros and cons. Just research the diffrences and go with what works best for you and your tank."
 
i do apologize for the one negative remark i made [little knowledge] it was poor taste on my part.
 
i could care less about coraline....just wait. that's the best thing to do in this hobby. wait and see.

quick fix is not worth it.
 
@ all

Ok, let me say something.

I have the same opinion that a lot of trace element products are wasted money, because the best way is to make often water changes with a high quality seasalt and offer proper Ca and Alk-levels. That's the fact. Because to add trace supplements without testing the water could be dangerous - especially the metal elements (Mn, Co, Cu, Ni etc.)

But there are some products wich might be usefull.

To increase calcium and carbonat in a middle sized or big tank with SPS corals, it is impossible to increase it with Purple Up.

You should take a calciumreactor or use ionic calcium products.
But the usage of the ionic calcium products expects a lot of experience and chemical knowledge from the user.

So Purple Up is much easier to use, because it contains only natural calciumcarbonat in the form of soluble aragonit, wich is mostly soluble at night. It works a little bit like a DSB or a natural calciumreactor in your tank.

In my opinion it is recommanded better for smaller tanks (smaller than 300 litres) or tanks with softcorals and without heavy skimming.
And this is exact the problem of Purple Up.
Most of the users, who tested the Purple Up in a "Berliner System Aquarium", reduced their concentration of aragonit by the skimmer before its solution. So they didn't see any positive effects of increasing calcium.

The concept behind Purple Up is to offer these typical calcium sediments of the natural reef, wich is easy to use by a lot of reef organizms. And these sediments are soluble by the time, especially at night, when the pH-concentration becomes low.

The Purple Up has following idea. It is very fine sized calciumcarbonat wich goes after dosing to the surface of the live-rock and the livesand in your tank. There (on that surface) the pH-level is lower because of the filter-bacterias (they produce CO2 and other acids), wich lives there. So the aragonit is soluble there.

The positive effect is a little bit another than with ionic calcium dosing.

For increasing the Ca-level very fast iin a big tank it isn't possible with Purple Up. But to hold the level it is possible and more softer way for the corals than with the often aggressiv calciumchlorid and natriumhydrogencarbonat.

The Purple Up is like a natural liquid calciumreactor.

My corals loves the dosing of Purple Up and especially the red corallin algae (Halimeda) becomes more and more.

After the dosing Purple Up my SPS corals look great. So I dose it sometimes together with the ionic calcium methods.

I use Purple Up to stabilize the Ca- and Alk-Levels between the time of dosing the other main ionic calcium products.

The result is a constant calcium-level at everytime and a very stabil pH.

And I use it to offer my animals in tank these "typical reef sediments", wich are used by a lot of fan worms, clams, snails and especially corallin algae. It speeds up the growing of Halimedas rapidly.

I have an DSB-System combined with a Berliner-System, but my skimmer is 4-5 hours off at night (because I dose other products like oyster eggs, aminos and phyto at night and to have better calcification-rates)

So it's not a must to use Purple Up, but Purple Up simulates with these calcium-sediments a part of the "natural reef system".

Because of some positive effects and to simulate the typical calcium-sediments of reef habitats, Purple Up became very popular in Germany. :D


Sudad
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8233616#post8233616 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by squiddly
I clicked on the little house. Love your tank. I also use "purple up" but I'm too inexperienced to say whether I like it or not :-).

Thank you very much :)
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8236971#post8236971 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by outy
i do apologize for the one negative remark i made [little knowledge] it was poor taste on my part.

No worries :)
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8233648#post8233648 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by jeffgp
i just started to us it last night and hopefully ill see some good improvement by the weekend

Don't hold your breath ;)
Might take a bit longer than that :D
 
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