pushing the envelope
- Thread starter pora
- Start date
FunkieReefJunkie
Member
It's the "I feel like pontificating on whatever thread." 
But I think the original thought was a then versus now discussion in reef keeping applications.
But I think the original thought was a then versus now discussion in reef keeping applications.
I, for one, rely heavily on the the new school methods of reefkeeping. I have been in the hobby for about 14 years on and off. I had marginal success keeping mostly softies in the past. With newer ideas and technologies such as RO/DI, huge efficient skimmers, a refugium with cheato, calcium reactors, etc, I have found keeping SPS to be easy and enjoyable.
Forums like this, pure phosphate and silicate free additives,chemicals, foods and good lighting at affordable pricing have been very helpful as well.
Maybe it is just me, but I would never go back. This hobby has come a long way, and it is finally manageble for me.
Forums like this, pure phosphate and silicate free additives,chemicals, foods and good lighting at affordable pricing have been very helpful as well.
Maybe it is just me, but I would never go back. This hobby has come a long way, and it is finally manageble for me.
FunkieReefJunkie
Member
The thing is a lot of what people think is modern reefkeeping really isn't, it's just the information has finally made it to the masses. Which is a win win for everyone. The hobbyist gets more demanding, doesn't settle for cheap toys which do nada, animals live long term and then finally we can sell our soul to satan to buy that 20,000 gallon tank that puts Sea World to shame. Does anyone know if aquacon sell dolphins on the cheap? Do you think they could just live off shrimp? Hmmm... maybe I should just start with one.
FunkieReefJunkie
Member
Unfortunately this one degenerated early on. It could have been an interesting interplay of thoughts on reefkeeping, but instead the fish began rotting from the head down. Bottom line: If you're one of those people who "don't play well with others" or your having a bad day think twice before you type.
paulamrein
New member
And what was that crap about people calling him a foreigner in his own living room. You may be reading it in America but it was typed (very well all things considering) in his office or living room in Denmark. Having said all that, putting some life back into the thread by saying that SW aquariums has a date of 3000 bc back in Egypt, grant it, it was kept for different reasons. Even more modernly in the 1800's there were hobbyist that would keep seahorses of all fish in a tank. The principles are simple, keep fish swimming, breathing, eating and low stressed. With the right motivation and know-how there are ways to go completely "natural" using only lighting as electrical help. Good species selection and correct tank maturity. It can be done. It would have to be a fairly large system, but depending on what you keep you could go small too. Now, I am not going to read my paragraph and check spelling and structure. I am sure there is some secretary forum or typing forum out there. What would make anyone think that SW people knew how to spell. But they can spell the heck out of the latin names for the species!!
Funkie, You'd be suprised by those fancy coral magazines. They pretty in depth looks at a number of issues, from specific corals, to equipment, to say the Great Barrier Reefs. I've found that the magazine Coral puts out a good magazine that can give you some scientific insight. However, I would suggest that the magazine find at least a couple more authors to cycle in. You may have better luck reading scientific journals. I don't know the names of any, but I'll check for you tomorrow.
In regards to fads in the reef keeping hobby, IMHO, none of them are new, and in fact most of our practices that have either cycled in or out of popularity for about the last 60 years. Foam fractionation, DSBs, phosban reactors, etc. have been around for a long time, just not consistently popular, or available.
I too would like to see advancements in our reef keeping hobby.
On a side note: in the 1880 and 1890's in England, aristocratic women often kept anenomes in small glass cages as a decoration. The anenome would often live for a month and then perish.
In regards to fads in the reef keeping hobby, IMHO, none of them are new, and in fact most of our practices that have either cycled in or out of popularity for about the last 60 years. Foam fractionation, DSBs, phosban reactors, etc. have been around for a long time, just not consistently popular, or available.
I too would like to see advancements in our reef keeping hobby.
On a side note: in the 1880 and 1890's in England, aristocratic women often kept anenomes in small glass cages as a decoration. The anenome would often live for a month and then perish.
FunkieReefJunkie
Member
mfp, I picked up a issue of Coral once from a LFS (if you call a 2 hour drive local). I immediately gravitated toward the article on Dick Perrin and found some of the things he did were somewhat unconvential. Really enjoyed it. But like you said the number of authors could increase and really only a handful of writers seem to pop-up again and again in marine publications. I wonder if this is because hobbyist are fickle and only accept the knowledge of someone who's earned their weight in salt so to speak? I know I'm guilty of such bias, but would look foward to some young blood especially if they are willing to wet their toes into some uncharted territory. There are after all millions of creatures in the sea and we only have observed and cared for a minuscule fraction of them. Some of the scientific journals I've googled want some major moolah to obtain their articles. I can't blame them, as the majority of marine biologist aren't raking in the dough.
That being said, I really do enjoy reading about the few people who are learning and pioneering care of carnation corals, sponges, tunicates and the like.
That being said, I really do enjoy reading about the few people who are learning and pioneering care of carnation corals, sponges, tunicates and the like.
I agree pora. I also remember the days of canister filters, diatom filters, standard fluorescent (tube) lights and those rare water changes. I kept many fish alive (including copperbands) for years under those conditions.
But, I never had live rock, live sand, hard or soft corals or all the other delicate living stuff in the tank.
A FOWLR is really not so far off to what we had years ago.
But, I never had live rock, live sand, hard or soft corals or all the other delicate living stuff in the tank.
A FOWLR is really not so far off to what we had years ago.
ScarabRa
Member
JEG samtykke med den ovenfor.
Velkommen hen til ReefCentral , vi håb jer komme igen. Jeg er benytter en oversætter hen til optimistisk skabe sig lettere hen til samtale. Mange i os her ovre hjælp " opholde sig gynge " for at starte vor ny akvarium. JEG ville lede tanken hen på jer hjælp flaske vand , eller ombytte osmosis vand nemlig jeres akvarium , Sig gør jeres liv mange lettere.
Gid indeværende er slette og nem at læse. tak for lån
