Pushing the limits
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phk36
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Enjoy your tank I am sure if you have any problems in the future you will be able to sell your fish. Some are able to do this but you have to feed them well which will cause a problem in a reef. I would rather buy a fish that some one has kept in a tank for a while than a pet store. The fish traps work great. I would love to take a poll on how many people have kept fish over eight years and I do not mean One or two
gdemos
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Consider your rock work and places to hide. Consider your ability to export nutrients given the feeding requirements. Consider your ability to detect and deter disease. Be a steward to healthy and thriving fish and corals first, observe and resist the temptation to overstock for the sake if pushing limits. With this approach you can find your limits of stocking and your tank will tell you what is acceptable. Every system is different so I'd say you'll be more likely to find the answer by listening to your tank Moreso than listening to thread responses
gsiegel
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Very well put.
Spsonlypls
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+1 true dat my friend *pulls out under gravel filter*:eek2:
Spsonlypls
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lol really?.. i think its more of when to add what"¦ yellow tangs are really territorial and saying that i have a baby in my tank.. lol she does go bezerk on new arrivals "¦a yellow tang does not like anything added after it .. be it another yellow tang,other fish,in tank skimmer or my hand.. yes my baby has attacked my hand numerous times.. what would be more of a question here is not the gallons of water rule but rather the grazing room if the tangs are added together and u find fish with good personality they do just fine"¦ don't let people tell what to do without getting ur own mind wrapped around the logic that stands behind their beliefs many of the hobby's current successful advances are made like this .. that being said pls use logic"¦ I'm not telling u to stick tangs in beta bowls(i hate them btw,my beta lives in a 30 gal planted cube:dance
. what matters most is the hiding spaces provided,water quality,nutrient export etc etc.. sure u could add tangs to say 90 gal tanks yet could u say the same for tanks that have really weird dimensions.. its not so much of the water volume but the space and hiding places.. they just need some space.. i care for my fish but see what your system is comfortable with"¦ observe it .. test params.. etc.. etc"¦ that being said i see you have already made up your mind so I'm not gonna change that :roll face:.. lol cheers:beer:
CHSUB
"Certified Hobby Expert"
lol really?.. i think its more of when to add what"¦ yellow tangs are really territorial and saying that i have a baby in my tank.. lol she does go bezerk on new arrivals "¦a yellow tang does not like anything added after it .. be it another yellow tang,other fish,in tank skimmer or my hand.. yes my baby has attacked my hand numerous times.. what would be more of a question here is not the gallons of water rule but rather the grazing room if the tangs are added together and u find fish with good personality they do just fine"¦ don't let people tell what to do without getting ur own mind wrapped around the logic that stands behind their beliefs many of the hobby's current successful advances are made like this .. that being said pls use logic"¦ I'm not telling u to stick tangs in beta bowls(i hate them btw,my beta lives in a 30 gal planted cube:dance
cheers:beer:
LOL, really.... You can argue all you want with the fellas about tank size and tangs, but I can assure you 2 yellow tangs, no matter how large your tank or how it is set up never works out. Mike Scott gives good advice about tank size and tangs; maybe you should pickup that book to get a better understanding of what you are writing about. Before that book was written it was mostly trial and error with tangs and we tried many and failed. Back in the early and mid 80's, when I worked a Pet City in Seabrook NH., we consider a 55 gallon a large tank and we mixed many fish that should not have been mixed, but one thing we knew for sure was that 2 yellow tangs never worked out well. GL with your tang fight!!!
lol really?.. i think its more of when to add what"¦ yellow tangs are really territorial and saying that i have a baby in my tank.. lol she does go bezerk on new arrivals "¦a yellow tang does not like anything added after it .. be it another yellow tang,other fish,in tank skimmer or my hand.. yes my baby has attacked my hand numerous times.. what would be more of a question here is not the gallons of water rule but rather the grazing room if the tangs are added together and u find fish with good personality they do just fine"¦ don't let people tell what to do without getting ur own mind wrapped around the logic that stands behind their beliefs many of the hobby's current successful advances are made like this .. that being said pls use logic"¦ I'm not telling u to stick tangs in beta bowls(i hate them btw,my beta lives in a 30 gal planted cube:dance
cheers:beer:
I guess I'm not understanding your post... Do you feel that two yellow tangs is no different than adding another fish with a yellow tang?
Spsonlypls
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funny i have a 6 yellows tangs(Zebrasoma flavescens/greedypiggysoma fatvescens:lolspin
in my 7 footer(pic coming up… use photo bucket right? gawd I'm lazy) and they get along fine but you are in this $$$ blackhole i mean reef keeping hobby sorry longer than me and surely u know more so maybe i might have problems in time. anyway back to my tangs … they are the secret police… they keep everyone in shape and never fight at all..they were introduced together and there was a little bickering(flashing,posturing) but never fighting … i would worry more about filtration.. a yellow tang that was kept alone will obviously behave aggressively towards and other fish added if it sees it as a threat (thats why i added them together and although i have a feeling that some fish are really weird…and love each other from the beginning lol..it must be love chemistry lol:in love i think that yellow tangs naturally group in the wild but thats just my opinion it doesn't have to matter…sorry for troubling u guys..also did u mean two as in they don't function well in pairs??
Spsonlypls
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yes and no :ape: firstly its the fish's own personality and the capability of the system hence i say no .. but if that is fine yes.. its more important to time the addition"¦. less threats less problems..of course
CHSUB
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funny i have a 6 yellows tangs(Zebrasoma flavescens/greedypiggysoma fatvescens:lolspin
when did i say 6 would not mix? i said 2....you do understand that 6 is not 2??? in the wild yellow tangs school by the tens if not hundreds. try this, remove 4 of your yellow tangs and leave 2. this would happen at Pet City sometimes when we would sell some; before we realized 2 yellows don't mix.
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Rea17
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I know several people that keep yellow tangs in 2's, in tanks as small as 125g. The fish have been living together peacefully for years. I wouldn't recommend doing this, I find they do best in groups of 3+ (I have 7), but don't say it can't be done and quote LFS experience as your source. If the tank is big enough, it can be done. Obviously a lot is left to the personality of the individual fish. Of my 7 yellow tangs, my original 6" monster is the meanest fish in my tank, but the other 6 are quite peaceful. I've had this yellow tang for about 6 years now, and he's always been that way, even when he was small. Knowing that particular fish, I would never try to pair him off. On the other hand, I have a pair of purples (also Zebrasoma, more aggressive in general), that do fine together.
Anyway, enough rambling. Is there a point to this thread?
Anyway, enough rambling. Is there a point to this thread?
CHSUB
"Certified Hobby Expert"
there is always an "expert" who has done something that most can't. In my first post, i stated 99% of the time 2 yellow tangs fail. i would congratulate your "several" friends for doing something that no LFS or importer would ever do......question? how many yellow tangs died to find the 2 that lived together in your "expert" friend's 125G?
what is wrong with quoting several years of LFS experience as my source? do you think a hobbyist would have more experience than a LFS housing hundreds of fish?
Spsonlypls
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i seriously don't think that u have to blatantly assume that the fishes perished in his friend's attempts to get a yellow tang pair.. doing so would be very ignorant and equally offensive "¦. who knows what happened ? I'm sure Rea17 can enlighten us on what happened and can we grant him the benefit of the doubt for the moment"¦ i understand your cause for concern as u care for the health and general well being of the fish( me and many more people do) but we all come to this forum to learn and share experiences gain help etc..etc not to be answered in such a manner. no one is an expert in the hobby they are simply more experienced..
Spsonlypls
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LOL i feared this is what was to come..lolololololol.. i have issues i know :hmm3::spin2:.. i wonder why they mix in groups but not in pairs.. funny eh? maybe someone can enlighten us.. someone pls help …. this issue has got me thinking
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Xavibear
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Groups reduce aggression. With pairs a dominat fish will contstantly harras a subordinate fish. A group spreads the harassment among all of the fish of the group. Usually no individual fish will be harassed to death. When keeping some kinds of African cichlids you keep the tanks "overstocked" to keep the aggression down.
Spsonlypls
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thats explains it.. thank you"¦ oh so thats why they are so overstocked lol
Spsonlypls
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coming up boss"¦ I'm out of town and lazy:spin1:
Rea17
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First of all, I never said these people were experts. Second, I never said they were friends of mine. They are folks on a local reefing forum that probably should have stuck with one or three, but they got two and it happened to work out. I also said that I wouldn't recommend doing it, since they do much better in larger groups.
What I got hung up on was this:
In a large enough tank, it can work! That's all I said. A 55 is not a large tank, which is why I tend to dismiss LFS experience. No matter how large a tank is, it won't work? Based on what you experienced in a 55?
