Pyramidal snails...Killing all

kpk

Been Reefin'
I have a few questions about these friggin pyramidal snails. I have had them for a long time, and just have to add more snails after I take all the dead ones out one at a time. Now anyways, if there isn't any snails for them to munch will they die out? I really need snails, but can't afford it anymore, not to mention creating algae problems.

Will they die off? I don't want to add any wrasse or anyting like that. I like my pods, tiny brittles etc...

Thanks alot,
Kyle
 
As no one has taken a stab at this yet,

Could you clarify this a bit better? not sure what you are asking, I thought you were having a pyramid snail problem (pest) but the second half looks like you are losing them.
 
Thanks for the stab. No i am losing all my good snails (astrea, margarita etc.) because they are eating them, or whatever they do. I want them to die off, but don't know if they ever will...

Kyle
 
I was not aware that they ate other snails, the ones I have read about (never dealt with) are predatory on clams. Someone else will need to chime in on this one and I have not a clue..
 
Have you actualy witnessed your snails being eaten? Or just finding dead snails?

ron shimek-

Astrea:

"Most snails sold as Astraea in the marine reef hobby are trochid snails, although they are seldom from the genus Trochus. Many of the actual individuals of Astraea offered for sale in the reef aquarium hobby come from the cooler waters of Baja California. These animals are not from areas that have sand substrates or, really, much of anything else in the way of flat surfaces. If they get dislodged from rocks, they tend to fall into crevices or crannies where they can reach a rock with their foot and attach to it. Consequently, they have never developed a "righting response." This means that if they fall from the aquarium walls onto the sand, they will not be able to turn over, and will die there unless somebody or something turns them over. Given that they also are not warm water animals, they tend to die young and leave a good-looking corpse in the aquarium. Purchase them if you wish. I would spend my money on tropical species, however. "

Margarita:

"This species is one of the three or four species of Trochoideans collected from cool water areas of Baja California and unethically sold to gullible, or informed, aquarists as a reef aquarium animal under the delightfully ambiguous name of "margarite or margarita snail. Tegula funebralis has a high thermal tolerance for an animal that lives in cold water areas (it ranges northward from Baja and is common in the British Columbian and Alaskan intertidal zones). They normally live a small fraction of one percent of their normal life span, or only a few months, in reef aquaria. Putting these animals in a reef aquarium is both unethical and immoral."

Both those snails are good grazers and dirt cheap but last about a month before they die.

I suggest you spend money on a clean up crew that will last such as

Hawian Turbo Snails (Turbo sandwicensis), may dislodge rockwork so mini-turbos might be better on tanks with smaller rocks

Mini Turbo Snails (Collonista), they also reproduce like crazy

Trochus, pretty much my favorite grazer

Strombus maculatus, stay small and reproduce (IPSF.com claims to have them but they actualy have a whole different species ... the ones from IPSF.com are great too though)

Nerites, I like to call these ones the glass polishers and they only work at night so you dont have viewing obstructons during the day

Stomatella varia, good grazers and also reproduce well in aquaria lacking hermit crabs and shrimp predators. Nocturnal aswell.
 
kpk, I know what you are going through. The Pyramid Snail (the scientific classification eludes me) is a molusk eater. Once it finishes your snails, it will have to find a new source. If you have clams, it will go after them as well. If they haven't already. It might take quite a while for their population to wan. Snails tend to live fairly long amounts of time without food. On top of that, an established tank has a variety of tiny molusks that we overlook lurking about in the rocks and sand. It would be quite a while before they actually ran out of food, and then even longer before they actually starved.

With that set aside, you may want to try a few tricks. I'm not 100% sure if it would work, but I'm sure anything will help right now. You might want to make a little trap for them using a plastic cup or even a glass so you can see through it. Find a way to affix a piece of scallop from the local grocery store to the bottom, and place it in the tank on it's side near a rock. This way, the snails from the sand and the rocks can slither in and start munching on the bait. I would check back every hour. When the density of Pyramid Snails has reached a prefered level, take the trap out. Then throw away the bait and wash out the glass with fresh water. Re-bait it and place it back in the tank. This would be like trying to weed out Ciralonid Isopods, but you're doing it with Pyramid Snails instead.

I definitely wish you the best of luck. You're going to need it.
 
Thanks Trav for the idea. I haven't ever thought of trying to trap them. Only thing about that is I don't know how fast they move around or anything, but definitly worth a try. Luck would be nice to have, these things suck...

I will keep you updated.

Kyle

PS You want me to ship today?
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7324912#post7324912 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by kpk
Thanks Trav for the idea. I haven't ever thought of trying to trap them. Only thing about that is I don't know how fast they move around or anything, but definitly worth a try. Luck would be nice to have, these things suck...

I will keep you updated.

Kyle

PS You want me to ship today?

They move at an alarming speed for something that's only the width of a dime. It's not going to outrun a Mexican Turbo Snail, but hey. Cockroaches run at a scale 200 mph if you get my drift. These Snails only have to be as fast as the stuff they eat. I have a feeling your ordeal will sound a lot like this one before you are done battling these snails. http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2006-02/bp/index.php

Also, if you get the chance, do a little research on Rissoa snails. They look very similar but are actually detrivores. You most likely have Pyramid Snails, but I would hate for you to treat for something and it's something else that's the problem.

For those that are reading this and unsure what a Pyramid Snail looks like, here you go
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PPS Sure. Ship away! :D
 
Pyramidal snails

Pyramidal snails

These snails are the worst!!!!!! They have a special trunk that is used to pierce their host flesh, and they drink the lymphatic fluids of their host.
Six line wrasses are the best choice to eat these small snails, and use of a powerful skimmer will remove their eggs. I had a clam loaded with them and I had to put the clam in a shallow dish and pick them off twice.

CaptiveReef
 
When I had Pyramid Snails, I just pulled my astrea snails out of the water (when they were close to the glass and i could see them) and hand picked them off w/ a knife.

I saved a bunch of my astrea snails that way.

6-line wrasse. yep, that's another reason why I have him in my tank now.
 
Thanks CR and LL for the first hand experience and what to do about it. I originally didn't want to add a wrasse because of my pods, tiny brittles etc, but I think it may be more important to have a good clean up crew than pods and brittles.

Are the sixlines good tankmates? Hopefully they aren't anything like that dang golden dottyback I had (thing was mean as hell).

How long should I wait until I add more snails to the mix after adding a sixline?

Thanks,
Kyle
 
snails

snails

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7330203#post7330203 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by kpk
Thanks CR and LL for the first hand experience and what to do about it. I originally didn't want to add a wrasse because of my pods, tiny brittles etc, but I think it may be more important to have a good clean up crew than pods and brittles.

Are the sixlines good tankmates? Hopefully they aren't anything like that dang golden dottyback I had (thing was mean as hell).

How long should I wait until I add more snails to the mix after adding a sixline?

Thanks,
Kyle
Yes Kyle, 6 line wrasses are great tankmates they keep to themselves, searching for those little critters.
You can add your snails, the 6 line will keep everything under control.

:D CaptiveReef
 
I made the mistake of adding a Banana Wrasse once, the thing will eat inverts until its eyeballs pop out.

Not very discriminating eater however, so every snail in the tank is toast... (This is not a reef safe fish for long term)
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7331343#post7331343 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Randall_James
I made the mistake of adding a Banana Wrasse once, the thing will eat inverts until its eyeballs pop out.

Not very discriminating eater however, so every snail in the tank is toast... (This is not a reef safe fish for long term)

If kpk is out of snails and hermits and doesn't own any shrimp or crabs, then this might be the route to take. At the moment, if he is invert free (besides the pests), then the most aggressive snail eater should be on call.
 
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