Q about the area?? Maybe getting transferred there soon.

Mr James

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My family and I may be getting transferred to Edwards Air Force Base. Where does one live within an hour drive of the base that is pretty decent?? Maybe tell me a little about the area and what to expect. Taxes, electrical bills, EARTHQUAKES (and where the San Andreas Fault Line is in relation to the base), housing costs, "the bad areas", "the good areas", etc... Thanks for any help.
 
Edwards AFB is very close to the San Andreas fault and another large fault in the region. Palmdale, a large suburb of LA which is near AFB, lies directly over the fault. Lancaster is also near-by (just north of Palmdale). Can't tell you all that much about those places, but a lot of people live there. Maybe some on this board.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7708910#post7708910 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by bromion
Edwards AFB is very close to the San Andreas fault and another large fault in the region. Palmdale, a large suburb of LA which is near AFB, lies directly over the fault.

That's just wonderful!! Does one buy earthquake insurance?? Do folks in that area set up reef tanks or should I re-think my hobby??
 
hehe, it's not like the yearly hurricanes in FL, big ones are few & far between (knock wood)
 
Sometimes an hour's distance can mean only a short distance with the way traffic is around here...at least in the LA area and OC area, not sure how it can be up there though.
 
Valencia and Santa Clarita aren't horrible places to live, and I'd bet the commute would be less than 1 hour, as you would be going opposite traffic most of the way (traffic tends to go from Lancaster/Palmdale to LA in morning, then back again in evening).

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&hl=...l=34.465806,-118.276062&spn=0.672542,1.027222

If you don't mind risking a longer commute, you could also locate in Pasadena, Glendale, Burbank, La Canada, north San Fernando Valley, or thereabouts -- more urbanized suburbs of LA.

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&hl=...417106,-118.200531&spn=0.672934,1.027222&om=1

Earthquakes that could disturb your tank minorly are certainly more common closer to the fault. I'm sure there are measures you can take to isolate your tank from minor quakes. A big earthquake will affect us all, close or not! And yes, you can buy earthquake insurance : )
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7709017#post7709017 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by bromion
Earthquakes that could disturb your tank minorly are certainly more common closer to the fault. I'm sure there are measures you can take to isolate your tank from minor quakes.

Hey all, thanks for the heads up. If it becomes a for sure tht we move out there, excpect some questions from me about how to stabilize my 180g system and safeguard it against "little ones". He, do you guys have basements out in that area?? 99% of Floridians do not have a basement because of the high water table. Please tell me I can have a basement!!
 
Re: Q about the area?? Maybe getting transferred there soon.

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7708744#post7708744 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Mr James
My family and I may be getting transferred to Edwards Air Force Base. Where does one live within an hour drive of the base that is pretty decent??

if I had to live with in an hours drive of Edwards I'd probably look in Phelan. I have a good friend who bought a newer\large Ranch style house on 5 acres plus he bought the 5 acres next door. I think he paid about 460K two years ago. Not much to choose from out there as far as "decent" goes.

http://phelancalifornia.com/
 
Ugh. I've spent the last 5 years trying to get my inlaws to move OUT of lancaster/palmdale. The demographics are changing for the worst, and while it's still by far the cheapest housing in LA county, it's not a place I'd be anxious to live.

If you're working at the base, there are other options depending on how many people you'd like to live near (aka: how isolated you're willing to be). Phelan isn't bad, but I'd opt for the longer commute from Santa Clarita than Phelan / Victorville / Boron / Tehachepi / Lancaster.

As far as earthquakes: you're near the fault, but it wouldn't stop me from building a reef tank. Brace the stand to a structural support and make sure your rockwork is firm - you may lose some water, but you won't lose the tank.
 
Acrylic is the choice for best earthquake survival, but if you have a well build glass tank and stand, I'd stick with what you have. I wouldn't worry about how close you are to San Andreas. There are other major fault lines, plus if it's a big earthquake, being a few miles away from the fault line won't be much of an improvement.

Earthquake insurance is available through the state at set rates. Rates are high and coverage is slight, but if you own a home, you want it.

The area you are looking at is HOT, electricity costs are high (welcome to California), and not a basement in sight!

But power outages are rare, there are no hurricanes or alligators, tornados are extremely rare and there's little humidity. You will probably feel cooler than in Florida. Also, tons of frag swaps and events!
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7711435#post7711435 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by NicoleC
Acrylic is the choice for best earthquake survival, but if you have a well build glass tank and stand, I'd stick with what you have. I wouldn't worry about how close you are to San Andreas. There are other major fault lines, plus if it's a big earthquake, being a few miles away from the fault line won't be much of an improvement.

Earthquake insurance is available through the state at set rates. Rates are high and coverage is slight, but if you own a home, you want it.

The area you are looking at is HOT, electricity costs are high (welcome to California), and not a basement in sight!

But power outages are rare, there are no hurricanes or alligators, tornados are extremely rare and there's little humidity. You will probably feel cooler than in Florida. Also, tons of frag swaps and events!

Thanks Nicole and to all the rest of you for the great information. Sounds like a dream come true. HOT, no humidity, no basements and plenty of sand, dust and probably no rain either huh??. You guys are big news on RC, getting baords turned off and all - j/k. Sounds like an awesome reef group!! I am trying to get the one here revitalized, but it is going slow. I have moved reef stuff before, so this move won't be new. hey, I could ship most of my corals to someone out there and pick them up when I move out there. The Air Force says "it's a strong possibility", so that is the best info I have at the moment. Sounds like another adventure!!

One last question. From the base, how long of a drive to the Ocean?? A decent beach where I could take the family?? Right now it's a 30 minute drive to the Gulf. I am curious to see what sort of critters you have in the water out there. I've never been to California.

Golfish, $450k does not sound very affordable for my checkbook. I hope the regular housing is somewhat affordable.
 
Take a few minutes to look at CA real estate - in the past 5 years, things have gone through the roof. Median home costs are > $500K in most areas - and unfortunately, the areas under $500k may not be in desirable locations. This makes many of us (especially those of us who just got out of college and didn't have a chance to buy before things got ridiculous) quite bitter - I, for one, make a nice income, but am probably going to leave the state in the next few years, mostly because of the cost of housing.

Santa Monica (and the rest of the nearby beaches) are probably the closest at ~1-1.5 hours from the base, but the Ventura / Carpinteria beaches probably have more wildlife but twice the drive. Something in the middle's probably your best bet.
 
Also, Lancaster/Palmdale is "upper desert" - while it's HOT during the summer (100+ isn't uncommon), it's COLD during the winter, and it'll snow in many parts of Palmdale (it's a gradual slope from the moutain through Palmdale past Lancaster to the base at the bottom of the lake bed).

You get to worry about extreme heat and snow, quite fun!
 
okay, i'm originally from florida (miami) - the water here is cold. cold, cold, cold, cold, cold. i am not kidding - it's cold. the beaches here are not like florida but they are beautiful none the less, only colder. good news is i've never been stung by a man-o-war here :)

it's been a while since i've been out that way (lancaster/palmdale/edwards) but you're probably gonna be a good hour-hour and a half away from the ocean - that's if there's no traffic.
 
$450k for a decent sized house would be a bargain in So Cal. You can search real-time live MLS listings at www.ziprealty.com to get an idea for the market. Beware of rising gang activity in Palmdale.

You're about an hour away from the beach in Palmdale, I guess, in good traffic. Remember, it's warm here but not tropical waters -- the water is too cold for reef critters. You'll see temperate animals. Water temp at the surface pretty much tops out at 70 in the summer and 55 is more normal.

All of So Cal is within a few hours of beaches, mountains, skiing and more. There are tons of opportunities for cheap recreation at the many public parks and rec areas. There's lots of amazing stuff in No Cal, too, like Sequoia National Park and Yosemite. If you like the outdoors and nature, California is heaven. Also tons of music festivals and outdoor events.

Some light rain... just all in about 2 months of the year!

Cost of living-wise, housing is outrageous and utility rates are criminal, but taxes are overall about halfway down the list of states. I'm not sure how Florida ranks, so it may be up or down for you. Gas is high, but not as high as our reputation -- problem is people use so much of it here.

On the other hand, the produce is unbelievably fresh and cheap -- much more so than the south since we grow just about everything in California. You can feed a family healthy, fresh foods for MUCH cheaper than elsewhere, and no sales tax on food. (Junk food is as expensive as everywhere else, and snacks ARE taxed.) Luxury items are generally cheaper than the rest of the country. Everything else is about the same.

If you have any kids approaching college age, the community college system is excellent and dirt cheap; the Cal State schools are very good and in-state tuition is very affordable.

California is a great place, it just has it's quirks. So does everywhere, but we tend to have bigger ones!
 
here is a link to cities in california:

California Cities and the Demographics

i am going to have to also agree that housing here in socal has gone through the roof in comparison with most of the country.

sorry to say that i know quite a few people that have moved to other states with texas being one of the most popular.

is socal real estate going to level off or decrease? hard to say but if it were me...i would say most likely 'no'. $500k 'might' get you a decent condo but you might luck out and find a nice home for that much.

look at www.zillow.com for areas you are interested in...type in an area you would like to look at and it will give you a really rough estimate of what the homes are going for. how rough? when i was curious and looked up my home...it was easily $300k+ off what i could get for my home at this very moment...but at least zillow is a start. what i like about zillow is that it gives you a birds eye view of the area with price tags all over them.

oh, btw...it totally rocks to live here! welcome to the neighborhood! :)
 
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I am located about 45 minutes east of Palmdale. My dad did 30 years Air Force which is how I ended up in the high desert.

I am not 100% familiar with the Palmdale/Lancaster area but I neighbor the Phelan area that people mentioned o the East of Edwards. My dad retired at Edwards and we had spent 6 years in Victorville at George AFB (Closed) prior to that.

I am a firm beleiver that life is what you make it, wherever you are. Temperatures in the Most are still in the 50's. Nights get down to 30 on average. As far as Earthquakes are concerned. 22 years in the desert and an earthwuake has never damaged one of my personal aquariums. I have been in bussiness with 75+ aquariums in the shop and another 4000 gallons of tanks in the hatchery at home. One 10 gal leaked after a decent quake 6 years ago. Minor precautions and you will be fine. I really believe that a quake large enough to blow out a tank, will be large enough that your reef tank will not be a primary concern.

Palmdale has wuite a few stores in the area. Selection ty[[ical;ly in that area is decent but not on par with what a serious hobbyist is accustomed to. We have a ton of reef events to trade and alot of Internet stores that will let you stop by with appointments. Anywhere in So Cal, is still in the "mecca" of the reef hobby.

With out traffic, you can drive from the Edwards area to a game at the Staples Center *in LA) in 45 min to 1 hour.

South on the 14 fwy is the Canyon Country area. Extremely nice area to live and it would be an easy drive up to Edwards against the normal traffic flows. This area includes Saugus, Santa Clarita, and a host of other small towns and cities.

East on Hwy 18, are a few towns without much to offer but rural living. 45 min East is Phelan, a nice desert town which is growing fast. Nice homes. Foothill community so the winters are definitely colder. Summers a hair cooler. Just NE of Phelan lies Victorville, Apple Valley and Hesperia. Growing area with one great Reef Store!!! (ok I am biased) lol Not alot in our cities. You either hate it here or love it here.


Inside Palmdale/Lancaster iteslef, I have seen a varying "quality" of neighborhoods. Palmdale/Lancaster is alot larger than the Victorville area.

I have an old friend from childhood who is stationed at Edwards. If you are need more info feel free to e-mail or PM

Good luck in your move
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7711663#post7711663 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Mr James
Golfish, $450k does not sound very affordable for my checkbook. I hope the regular housing is somewhat affordable.
$450k gets you a 2bd condo on the cheapest end of the scale in south Orange County, dont forget a $250-$400 maint fee + 1-2% tax + mellow roos (maybe). That's a total of $600-$1000/mo in tax for a CHEAP condo. Also a 180g with AC running should will incur at least a $250/mo electricity bill, maybe upwards of $500/mo depending on your tank and overal home usage.
Fortunately for you Edwards is in an area that is much cheaper than being at say Pendleton. Phelan is nice, Palmdale, yikes!
 
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