QT vs Toss Em In

[Aquarist007]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12852188#post12852188 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Slakker
I feel that this is all I really need to post in response to that:

IMO you don't have to quote all these resources rather just link to some of the threads entitled my fish have ich--what do i do,
and follow what the reefer has to do to solve the problem

one just has to look at Tswifty's thread for his most recent encounter with black ich to see the value of being on top of knowledge about the life cycle of ich plus the value of a quarantine tank

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1417839

 

[Neptune777]

QT all the way! Will never introduce anything without a proper QT session.

 

[Aquarist007]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12852725#post12852725 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by tkeracer619
Ick is childs play. Get a case of brooknella (sp) and you will QT from then on out.

Flatworms, Zoa Eating Spiders, Redbugs, diseases, preditory snails, hitchhiking crabs, parasites, bacterial infections, getting a fish to eat.....etc. All reasons in no particular order that you SHOULD QT.

Take a look at fish tuberculosis and the ability of it to transfer to humans. Scary.

You are incorrect. Copper and Hypo-salinity are both methods of eradicating ick. It isn't a virus like the common cold. It is a parasite.

actually it is an invertebrate

 

[Slakker]

That was just the sources from the website that I get my information from, and where the chart in question came from;
http://www.petsforum.com/personal/trevor-jones/marineich.html

IMO his pages are great resources, about as close to a "one stop shop" as I've found when researching marine fish diseases.

 

[Aquarist007]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12852159#post12852159 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by cloak
Good information. IMO though, it doesn't work like that. If it was as easy as a chart, there wouldn't be multiple threads like this. Ich is a number between the numbers. A common cold. Everybody gets it, but there is no cure.

I have to differ with you on this one cloak.
Understanding the life cycle is very important for understanding how to treat it and the different methods for treating it.

this is an excellent article on the life cycle of ich and methods of treating it
http://www.reefkeeping.com/issues/2003-08/sp/index.php

Plus one has to be careful with the statement everybody gets it
I have had lots of fish that did not get ich--even when a carrier was discovered in the tank.
There are species that don't get ich
eg mandarine goby

 

[Aquarist007]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12853315#post12853315 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Slakker
That was just the sources from the website that I get my information from, and where the chart in question came from;
http://www.petsforum.com/personal/trevor-jones/marineich.html

IMO his pages are great resources, about as close to a "one stop shop" as I've found when researching marine fish diseases.

I am not faulting the resources or your posting of them

I think alot of reefers on here would be more motivated to act---qt their fish if they read what some of their fellow hobbyists were going through--esp the ones that did not qt:eek2:
---then wading through scientific material that validates the use of a qt

this is one case for anecdotal data can be more compelling then scientific fact

 

[Slakker]

Oh, I absolutely agree, but I also think it's important to provide some hard fact demonstrating that ich is not, in fact, some sort of ghost that comes and goes on a whim.

It's a defined organism with known survival requirements and thoroughly researched and effective eradication methods.

 

[Aquarist007]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12853389#post12853389 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Slakker
Oh, I absolutely agree, but I also think it's important to provide some hard fact demonstrating that ich is not, in fact, some sort of ghost that comes and goes on a whim.

It's a defined organism with known survival requirements and thoroughly researched and effective eradication methods.

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

 

[bsagecko]

QT can be stressful to the fish/inverts however........there is a price to pay for not QTing

When i first got my coralbeuty i didnt qt but then i looked at the fish in the DT and he had ich.................then i spent 3 hours getting him out of the tank to put him in a QT..............from now on i will not buy a fish without looking him over really really well and then i will QT for at least 2 weeks

 

[Tang Salad]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12850386#post12850386 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by abulgin
Oh please what?

You'd originally written:

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12849164#post12849164 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by abulgin
Ha! You're exactly right. That's because they are too busy posting things like "My fish has white spots all over it. Help!!!!!"

To that, I expressed skepticism.

 

[abulgin]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12853902#post12853902 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Tang Salad
You'd originally written:

To that, I expressed skepticism.

I think you need to spend a little bit more time looking over the posts in New to the Hobby.

So are you going to add anything constructive, or are you just here to troll?

 

[sanababit]

Man everyone here is a marine biologist, awww studies, studies are for people that just want everyone else to do it their way, most people here have some experience under their belts, they have read books, asked other reefers, learned from hobby clubs.. all i have to say is EVERYONE has different ways of doing things because of the wide variety of OUR tanks SO If qt works for u great.. if not qt works for you great, maybe down the road WE will know better, but for now don't critisize a fellow hobbiest cause HE is doing what works for him...

BTW i dont QT, look at them at LFS, acclimate them, throw them in, i have ICH in tank with no deaths from ich since i noticed it in my DT tank 11 months ago...

Sana

 

[Tang Salad]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12854296#post12854296 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by abulgin
I think you need to spend a little bit more time looking over the posts in New to the Hobby.

So are you going to add anything constructive, or are you just here to troll?

Sorry if that confused you. The post in question expressed my view that it's the QTers who dispargae the non-QTers, and not the other way around (as was implied by previous poster.) That's all.

Anyway, it seems this is always a one-sided argument, with the QT group strongly condemning the non-QT group for being Lazy and Irresponsible, Inexperienced and/or Foolish.

Yes, many people who do not QT are these things. Many, but not all. And I'll take your word for it; there probably are many more in the Newbie forum.

 

[K' Family Reef]

we got flatworms once from adding chaeto...

who ever would have thought to qt chaeto
:lol:

heard one say about qt -
"once bitten - twice shy"

its usually the veterans of the hobby who always preach to qt (and for good reason).

regards

 

[Aquarist007]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12854520#post12854520 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by sanababit
Man everyone here is a marine biologist, awww studies, studies are for people that just want everyone else to do it their way, most people here have some experience under their belts, they have read books, asked other reefers, learned from hobby clubs.. all i have to say is EVERYONE has different ways of doing things because of the wide variety of OUR tanks SO If qt works for u great.. if not qt works for you great, maybe down the road WE will know better, but for now don't critisize a fellow hobbiest cause HE is doing what works for him...

BTW i dont QT, look at them at LFS, acclimate them, throw them in, i have ICH in tank with no deaths from ich since i noticed it in my DT tank 11 months ago...

Sana

I am not sure why you would want ich in your main tank. I would feel that was a threat for every new fish I added. Not judging here just trying to understand the reasoning

 

[Aquarist007]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12855211#post12855211 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by WarrenAmy&Maddy
we got flatworms once from adding chaeto...

who ever would have thought to qt chaeto
:lol:

heard one say about qt -
"once bitten - twice shy"

its usually the veterans of the hobby who always preach to qt (and for good reason).

regards

Warren --how are you doing---other paths haven't crossed for a long time

you are correct I would never have thought to qt chaeto however wouldn't a fresh water dip of it solve the problem

 

[K' Family Reef]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12855276#post12855276 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by capn_hylinur
Warren --how are you doing---other paths haven't crossed for a long time

you are correct I would never have thought to qt chaeto however wouldn't a fresh water dip of it solve the problem

Capn how you been?
:beer:
tried to email you back once but your box was full (about the kids 'thread')... very little time for RC lately... as everly unpopular as i am in the local forum i like to see whats going on there occasionally :rollface: and when i do get a chance to get on RC i am usually just reading anymore anyway... congrats on thread of the month - been trying to catch up on some of that good reading too!

regards

 

[Slakker]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12854520#post12854520 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by sanababit
... most people here have some experience under their belts...

They sure do, and that's respectable...but not as respectable as a PHD in marine biology or equivalent field. Not as respectable as multiple published works.

I really don't understand what it is that makes people feel like having a tank for a couple of years makes them smarter than the scientific community

People look at the LFS as some sort of protection for their fish...fact of the matter is, more fish go IN to the LFS in a healthy condition than LEAVE the LFS in a healthy condition, unless you're lucky enough to have one of those great stores that actually quarantines and treats new arrivals (which, though they say it, I somewhat doubt...just not cost effective to hang on to merchandise for a month before you even offer it up for sale)

 

[Aquarist007]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12855428#post12855428 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Slakker
They sure do, and that's respectable...but not as respectable as a PHD in marine biology or equivalent field. Not as respectable as multiple published works.

I really don't understand what it is that makes people feel like having a tank for a couple of years makes them smarter than the scientific community

People look at the LFS as some sort of protection for their fish...fact of the matter is, more fish go IN to the LFS in a healthy condition than LEAVE the LFS in a healthy condition, unless you're lucky enough to have one of those great stores that actually quarantines and treats new arrivals (which, though they say it, I somewhat doubt...just not cost effective to hang on to merchandise for a month before you even offer it up for sale)

I thought we were talking about the advantages of using a quaratine tank for problems like ich ect
It does not take a rocket scientest to understand the life cyle of ich and how to treat it.
There are plenty of marine biologists and chemists on this site as there are plenty of very experinced reefers, some that have read and written more articles then the phd's
That's what makes this site incredible and credible at the same time:smokin:

 

[Slakker]

Again, I don't disagree, I have a great amount of respect for those that have been in the hobby for 10, 15, 20 years...I can't imagine trying to keep anything more sensitive than liverock without the resources that I find myself referring to time and time again.

Perhaps back when the number and quality of resources on the hobby were directly limited to your local aquarists, this kind of attitude would have been more understandable...but it's 2008. The facts are out there. They're available. They've been posted in this thread, cited, reinforced by multiple sources...and yet somehow there are still people who will read this thread and think "Nope, that's not where Ich comes from. It's always around no matter what. Sucks for me."

It's mindblowing to me that people are ignoring facts that are directly connected to the health and well being of their pets. If a person never took their dog in for its vaccines and ended up posting in a forum somewhere about how they didn't understand how it could get rabies and die, people would be outraged. Yet this is what happens day in and day out, "My fish got Ich! Why?"

But hey, these are only fish...who cares, right? If they die, they can just catch some more!