Quarantine RODI Wastewater
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luther1200
Premium Member
Is using RO WW in a QT going to kill your fish, no I never said anything like that. All I said is that it would be better to use RO water IMO. Many things have changed in this hobby from the start. People used to do things years ago that they wouldn't do now, and I think people's tanks show the improvements in technology are a good thing. Many more people have greater success these days than they used to, I feal this is because of the accumlitaed knowledge people have gathered.
davewbush
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What are you tring to prove. Now you are off subject from your original question which you have blasted others for doing. Your not going to get everyone to agree with you. You have no proof that the way you are doing it is any better than any one else. And the same, they don't have any proof that there way is any better.
You seem to just want to argue. I have been reading this thread now so I can't get a laugh.
You seem to just want to argue. I have been reading this thread now so I can't get a laugh.
luther1200
Premium Member
We will never really now for sure because fish can't talk or even bark or meow. So its hard to tell whats bothering them. IMO its just better to keep everything as close to NSW as we can.
bradbmbj
New member
I am not off topic, luther brought up phosphates being a problem I am just asking where can I find some good reading on it, this is all part of the conversation of what particular chemical is bad, I have not "blasted" anyone, people have however blasted me, I guess I should use the smily faces more to show emotion, it just seems speculation is made on certain compounds being bad but I have not been able to find anything, one of these guys with wet web media, rob fenner or who ever probably has an article disscussing just this,I just cant seem to find it, why do you feel Im trying to prove my point, I am just challenging issues that people are bringing up, like p04, everywhere I read it says p04 is NOT detrimental to fish even at high levels, relax buddy its sunday all the stress comes tommorow at work
bradbmbj
New member
I just dont understand why I am coming off as wanting to argue when I simply ask the reasons why a particular substance is bad, isnt that why we are here? I just feel like this whole ordeal is for nothing if none of try to find more information somewhere to learn more, whether I am right or wrong, I just cant sit back when someone says something that a substance is bad when it may only be bad for inverts.
Kieth71
New member
I would say this issue is like alot of issues in this hobby.People have an opinion on something and while most have no proof they are confident they are right.When you start to ask why they feel a certain way or ask them what they have to back up what they are saying it leads threads down bad paths.Honestly i have no idea if ww from r/o is bad to use in a qt.I guess i would say it depends on how bad your water is to start out with.It would be nice if we had some real proof if it affects fish but i think it would be tough without having several people try it and also test the ww on a detailed scale.I would love to use the ww for something as i hate hearing it flush down the drain.
davewbush
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I think the only way to come up with a true answer is to do an experiment. Get three tanks with ten fish in each. Run one tank with 0 phos, another with 5ppm and another with 10ppm. wait and see which tank runs out of fish first. This experiment could take many years.
I doubt this has been done and without hard evidence, either way like you said, we will never have an answer.
You have one up on me because I don't keep a qt tank. Even with the ro water I use I still have algae problems time to time. If this hobby was easy, every one and there mother would have a tank and this fourm would not exist, because every one would have the answers.
I doubt this has been done and without hard evidence, either way like you said, we will never have an answer.
You have one up on me because I don't keep a qt tank. Even with the ro water I use I still have algae problems time to time. If this hobby was easy, every one and there mother would have a tank and this fourm would not exist, because every one would have the answers.
Kenmx10
New member
Hey Brad, Sorry you feel like your getting hammered. I hope thats nobodys intetions here. It seems like your focused on P04, and might be forgetting about alot of other things. While many fish can survive at elevated rates of p04, there are so many other particles that get by the sediment, and carbon filter that can be very harmful to fish. The RO filter is the work horse of a RO filter. Thats why they call it a RO filter instead of a Carbon or sediment block filter.
We do know tap water varies on a daily basis. And can carry pestisides, zinc, copper, iron, floride, And the list goes on and on. Here is a governmental link stating what actually is found in tap water, And states that over half the polutants in tap water are not even regulated. Unfortunatley we dont have a TDS meter that gives us a readout of exactley everything found in our waste water, And weekly 250 part water sample test would be out of the budget for most hobbyist. So all we can do is use our best judgement and try and do whats best for our aquatic creatures that we've come to love so much. They are helpless and rely on us to take care of them.
I will insert this brief paragraph for those who dont want to read the link. :
EWG's analysis of tap water testing from 42 states validates the public's concern about tap water. We found that between 1998 and 2003, water suppliers collectively identified in treated tap water 83 agricultural pollutants, including pesticides and chemicals from fertilizer- and manure-laden runoff; 59 contaminants linked to sprawl and urban areas, from polluted runoff and wastewater treatment plants; 166 industrial chemicals from factory waste and consumer products; and 44 pollutants that are by-products of the water treatment process or that leach from pipes and storage
http://www.ewg.org/tapwater/findings.php
What we do know is that tropical fish can be very very delicate to chemicals, metals, poisons, ETc found in tap water. If P04 was the only concern , many people might not have RO filters today.
With RO waste water, You are subtracting the polutants from the clean water, and flushing out the toxins with the run off water . Therefore as some test have shown, waste water can be more toxic than tap.
If you want to try and quarantine your fish with this type of water, It is your decision and no one has the right to judge you for that. But in my opinion it is futile to try and debate that RO waste water or tap water is harmless and causes no ill effect to aquatic life. Some fish may survive in this type of a invironment for a period of time, others wont last a day. And theres really no way of knowing what all the toxins are doing to the fish. If they die, we say bad water, If they live we say good water, But in reality, how can one really know?
I think one of the reasons that gets people fired up over threads like this is because many are animal enthusiast. And they just cant understand, why one would use RO waste water, when they have perfectly good water to use.
Many people may argue, Ive done it so it must be OK. But to be perfectly honest, many people would probably eat a whopper, fries and shake ,rather than a healthy meal. Then after the arteries are clogged , they have high blood pressure, over weight and diabetes , they come to the conclusion, Might not have been a good idea.
I admire that you are one to look for true facts and have a true interest in this hobby. I hope the article might have some facts that might help you. One thing about this hobby, It doesnt usually take very long to find out what works and what doesnt. And either way we learn along the way.
We do know tap water varies on a daily basis. And can carry pestisides, zinc, copper, iron, floride, And the list goes on and on. Here is a governmental link stating what actually is found in tap water, And states that over half the polutants in tap water are not even regulated. Unfortunatley we dont have a TDS meter that gives us a readout of exactley everything found in our waste water, And weekly 250 part water sample test would be out of the budget for most hobbyist. So all we can do is use our best judgement and try and do whats best for our aquatic creatures that we've come to love so much. They are helpless and rely on us to take care of them.
I will insert this brief paragraph for those who dont want to read the link. :
EWG's analysis of tap water testing from 42 states validates the public's concern about tap water. We found that between 1998 and 2003, water suppliers collectively identified in treated tap water 83 agricultural pollutants, including pesticides and chemicals from fertilizer- and manure-laden runoff; 59 contaminants linked to sprawl and urban areas, from polluted runoff and wastewater treatment plants; 166 industrial chemicals from factory waste and consumer products; and 44 pollutants that are by-products of the water treatment process or that leach from pipes and storage
http://www.ewg.org/tapwater/findings.php
What we do know is that tropical fish can be very very delicate to chemicals, metals, poisons, ETc found in tap water. If P04 was the only concern , many people might not have RO filters today.
With RO waste water, You are subtracting the polutants from the clean water, and flushing out the toxins with the run off water . Therefore as some test have shown, waste water can be more toxic than tap.
If you want to try and quarantine your fish with this type of water, It is your decision and no one has the right to judge you for that. But in my opinion it is futile to try and debate that RO waste water or tap water is harmless and causes no ill effect to aquatic life. Some fish may survive in this type of a invironment for a period of time, others wont last a day. And theres really no way of knowing what all the toxins are doing to the fish. If they die, we say bad water, If they live we say good water, But in reality, how can one really know?
I think one of the reasons that gets people fired up over threads like this is because many are animal enthusiast. And they just cant understand, why one would use RO waste water, when they have perfectly good water to use.
Many people may argue, Ive done it so it must be OK. But to be perfectly honest, many people would probably eat a whopper, fries and shake ,rather than a healthy meal. Then after the arteries are clogged , they have high blood pressure, over weight and diabetes , they come to the conclusion, Might not have been a good idea.
I admire that you are one to look for true facts and have a true interest in this hobby. I hope the article might have some facts that might help you. One thing about this hobby, It doesnt usually take very long to find out what works and what doesnt. And either way we learn along the way.
bradbmbj
New member
Thank you for your very well educated answers and opinions on the matter, I can only dream that there could be more like you on this forum, your insight and research is taken with great respect. I did not intentionally focus on P04, it was one of the issues that someone else had brought up and I stayed on it trying to get a real answer of why they thought it was so bad.
Thanks again Brad
